If for one, think he is justified in his anger. A vote needs to be done. We can discuss until we are blue in the face, but a decision can only be made with the consent of the governed (majority vote). What are we waiting for?

This is a revote for all the things in the original thread. Point cap, advancment, taint, Q5+ the works. Those original votes were never counted. This time its official.

Overload.

As a Moderator for the current incarnation of the 2008 forum (such as it is), I've volunteered to be your liaison. I have no doubt that Nova will still read your posts (as much as she ever has) and you may bristle at the idea of not being able to address her directly any further, but nevertheless, please be consoled in knowing that whether I agree with all of Nova's decisions or not, I stand as part of the Team Mod and support the decisions of my team. What this means is that speaking to me is effectively as good as speaking to all of us.

Now. You are welcome to participate or not participate in the 2008 forum. If you find the rules as presented to be unbearable, you're welcome to not play, and that's regrettable, because, hey, frankly, we need all the players we can get, around here. Conversely, we'd be happy to have you play if you can resolve yourself to playing by the rules.

I understand that you have a problem with some of the rules. That's legitimate. I have a problem with some of them, too, and I've outlined those complaints in the relevant thread. As I mention in the above post to White Rat, however, the 2008 forum isn't a democracy, and as bitter as this might be, we do not necessarily have to have a vote about anything at all. The only voting to be done here is with your feet: if you do not like the rules, you can opt to not participate. That goes for everyone, but you must understand, by the sheer volume of people who have chosen to participate, most people agree that this dictatorship is a benevolent one. We are always willing to entertain arguments for the modification, addition, and subtraction of certain rules, but (I'm going to put this in it's own section, because it's important) -

your personal dissent against or approval of the rules does not make or break the 2008 forum, and until such a time as you have presented a persuasive and thoughtful argument articulating your points in such a manner that a significant number of members agree with you, it stands, at present, that your arguments have been shut down. This makes you angry, and I understand that. But lashing out and calling the Mods Nazis and totalitarians is not winning you any points, and indeed, is the reason that you and your dissent is quickly becoming a joke. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to calm the fuck down, stop overreacting, and deal with your complaints calmly and with civility.

If your complaints still don't get the attention you want, maybe that should tell you something. Maybe it should tell you that the 2008 forum isn't a good fit for you. That's okay. We're trying to be as all-inclusive as possible, but we can't possibly accommodate everybody. Thankfully the nature of N! Prime is such that you can try to gather support for another subforum, or even enjoy the ones that already exist. What you cannot do, however, is continue to be abusive and pissy and state your demands again and again without providing any fresh rationale for them. It will not be tolerated indefinitely.

Having said that, we welcome you to play all the same and would be glad to have your contribution. We also welcome your dissent, we simply require that it be constructive dissent. If you want to make things better by changing the rules, you will need robust arguments that people can get behind. We'd all be thrilled to be proven wrong. Honestly, truly, we'd love it. Because anything we can be shown to be wrong on means we've found a way to improve the experience for everyone here. So by all means, Overload, please, prove us wrong. Otherwise, please, stay and play. And if you cannot resolve yourself to either of those, then please, don't ruin the experience for everyone else.

I wan't talking about 2008. I was talking about this 200x thingy.

If you were really doing this for everyone you wouldn't have been afriad of an official vote.

It may as well be over. I'm done talking to you. Thanks to your unjustified invective, your opinion isn't worth a thing around here.

Just go away.

Make me...

Make me...

(An apology to Nova and Seph in advance for speaking for them. If either of you dislike what I put down, feel free to ignore/disown it.)

Overload,

Congradulations. You've seized upon our clever strategem. We are not, in fact, doing this for everyone.

The 2008 (or 200x, if you prefer) forum is being designed to address some of the problems a lot of people here on the board have found a real barrier to successful play. It's being designed with a certain philosophy (Nova's, at the core, with modifications being made by people with constructive suggestions) and with a certain basic structure so that it can be a place on which a kind of play (civil, collective and story-driven) that has been hard to make happen on the 2018 and 2010 boards can be carried out for the enjoyment of those who want it and who, at present, can't get it.

And, for the record, this is inaccurate: "Nova and Friends claim so magnanimously to be doing something for us but its really for them. For their own little clique." We are neither doing this for everyone, or for some little clique. We're doing this for the people, and there are a good number of them, who feel underserved by the current board and want to try something new. Something, we hope, better. And if it's successful, then people will vote with their feet by playing in it. If it isn't, they won't. But we are not "afraid" of a vote, because some sort of mass collective vote would miss the whole point.

We are creating an enviornment to play this game and tell these stories in a way we think they can be enjoyably played. If you like it and are willing to play by the rules we set up, huzzah. If you don't, pick any of the several other forums on the board that's more to your taste. Either way, suit yourself. But kindly stop treating your effort as a people's crusade against "arrogance and favoritism." We aren't claiming you have to play our way or hit the highway. We are saying that if you don't like what's being served here, there's lots of other places to eat.

You will not participate in 200X. Go away.

lame attempts at upsetting Overload

If you were really doing this for everyone you wouldn't have been afriad of an official vote. Im not afraid. So the majority vote against my preferences.

You could have silenced me long ago but you tried to shame me into silence. Well my response to that was basically a big F-U to what I see as arrogance and favoritism.

And no need to lock this thread. This "discussion" (to use your term) isn't over yet.

If Seph and Fox dont want me to participate maybe I will have second thoughts but you alone should not be able to make that decision. You have made this personal. You are too close to it so should not be given veto power over me...

As for you Nova, who made you Queen?

I did. It's my idea. I've been spending almost all of my free time working on 200X since the origin of the idea.

THE TRUTH COMES OUT! THE ARROGANCE REVEALED! FROM HER OWN LIPS THE REVELATION!

Call it a poll instead of a vote, then. This is not an unlimited democracy.

Hell yes I have a vision. However, it is not perfect or all-encompassing. That's why I've spent the last ten days talking to everyone about what they want, too, and trying my level best to incorporate as many good ideas into 200X as I can. If I was the nazi you claim, I would have done none of this. I would have posted my 200X Bible and told everyone to like it or leave. I didn't. I continue to solicit input. Most of what's posted in the 200X Bible is other people's work.

You fail.

Asking for input and then ignoring it..shyeah.

This is not an unlimited democracy. Translation: if I dont like your vote I reserve the right to ignore it.

Hands in favor of democratizing this debocle???

:raises hand:

You're making a fool of yourself. Calm down.

Jager and I have propoed an ACTUAL Vote. This is to be in a new topic in this sub forum. These votes are to be counted.

Obviously votes don't count. Nova is Queen after all and disagreements with her decisions are to be summarily ignored.

Overload, you're really starting to get on my nerves. You've been pushy, overbearing, foul, and rude. Since this is a setting based on cooperation, I really don't think you're getting it. I am not encouraged at the prospect of your participation in the 200X era if you continue the way you are.

That said, I will discuss your questions.

The vote tally for 50 or 60NP is in the middle of another thread, and it was discussed beyond that point. I'm not going to recreate all of that. I have coupled the NP cap and NP advancement in a compromise move that should make everyone happy.

The mechanism for taint is as published. Dots may be purchased tainted for half NP cost, rounded against the character. You get more power at the cost of more taint. The NP cap may not be exceeded, and has nothing to do with the purchase of tainted dots.

The point is storytelling.

I'm ignoring you because you're hostile, aggressive, and not at all cooperative. In other words, you're what I wanted to get away from.

My rudeness has been in direct proportion to you trying to tell us "how its going to be." For a window into this please see your idea for the NP cap. I am not encouraged by your reasoning to abandon a vote (or even go back in the thread and look it up.) If our votes werent to be counted and you were just going to come up with your own little ideal then why even bother asking us. Jesus.

I have as much a right to be here on this public forum as anyone else. I also have the right to disagree with you, publicly. If I am banned for sharing my disagrements or being passionate about them it will only prove the fascism that I see brewing here.

Yeah, heaven forbid I take any role in the shaping of my idea. Once I posted my idea 10 days ago, I should have walked away and let everyone vote on everything and we'd have a perfect system.

That's sarcasm, by the way.

Its OverloAd not OverloRd...OverloRds is what you and Nova are trying to become...

Maybe if you tried allowing a vote instead of berating me with your fear of losing control I would mellow out. As it is your draconian insistence and attempts to shame me into silence only make me feel more justified in opposing you.

I just want to see where the majority stands and have felt unjustly blocked and ridiculed for standing up and speaking out against what I feel to be unfair.

It is unfair to try and rush through some kind of charter and ignore the constituents desires...

Here is the place for us to vote and have those votes be heard! Don't be shy!

I vote for you to stop embarassing yourself.

I'm not embarrased! I feel like the founding fathers when they stood up to King George! Don't let her kill democracy people! She is afraid of the Vote! If people genuinely vote I will submit myself to the majority. Only one vote per player please. no fair logging on with multiple IDs.

This is a revote for all the things in the original thread. Point cap, advancment, taint, Q5+ the works. Those original votes were never counted. This time its official.

You're being disingenuous. I've been soliciting the input of the majority from the beginning. Don't paint yourself as the champion of the people and me as a tyrant. It's unfair and untrue.

all i am saying (and others have backed me) is that we want to see where the majority lies. I am not being disingenuous. I am genuinely pissed that the original votes (poll whatever) were not actually copunted and held accountable for.

I am most certainly NOT embarrased. I take no offesnse at your comments FS. From the beginning you and Nova were acting cuddly.

So...

Are we going to allow a vote or have it be smacked down by the autocracy?

It is obcious to me that both Nova and FS FEAR what may come of an honest vote. They fear losing control of THEIR vision. I on the other hand as I have stated will happily submit to a vote of by and for the troupe.

Dont let them kill our voice! Vote people!

I honestly dont see the problem with a legitimate vote? I am really being reasonable here. I am trying real hard to temper my temper and be civil but seeing blatant attempts to squash the majority in favor of 2 peoples cuddly vision really REALLY pisses me off.

This is not their site. Its for all of us. Let the vote happen and let it be counted and adhered to. I am very sincere when i say that I will be placated by a real vote.

I wan't talking about 2008. I was talking about this 200x thingy.

I am going to go and personally recount the votes put in in the other thread, since Rev and others dont seem to be interested in retyping or reposting them. Maybe I'll perform a compilation if I have time.

What really makes me mad is that Nova and Friends claim so magnanimously to be doing something for us but its really for them. For their own little clique.

If you were really doing this for everyone you wouldn't have been afriad of an official vote. Im not afraid. So the majority vote against my preferences. Nuff said. You could have silenced me long ago but you tried to shame me into silence. Well my response to that was basically a big F-U to what I see as arrogance and favoritism.

And no need to lock this thread. This "discussion" (to use your term) isn't over yet.

It may as well be over. I'm done talking to you. Thanks to your unjustified invective, your opinion isn't worth a thing around here.

Just go away.

Make me...

We are neither doing this for everyone, or for some little clique. We're doing this for the people, and there are a good number of them, who feel underserved by the current board and want to try something new. Something, we hope, better. And if it's successful, then people will vote with their feet by playing in it. If it isn't, they won't. But we are not "afraid" of a vote, because some sort of mass collective vote would miss the whole point.

sort of mass collective vote would miss the whole point

I understand that this is the project of a few people, but it is a community. Shouldn't a community get to decide what it wants?