I've always been very impressed by Ashnod.

But I think part of restart is not grandfathering in this sort of thing. My expectation is Ashnod would/will be on the short list for a Q upgrade if and when that gets re-introduced.

An Ashnod, or more specifically a Kimberly who is the player of Ashnod, will be recognized. A player whose concerns are limited to their own character and stories will be recognized as well.

Beyond that I can only say I don't believe anyone is being punished.

When in doubt, my aim is to err on the side of caution. We can add more power later. Removing it once granted would be terribly hard to do.

Well said.

Cool.

Then let's get started!!!!

Soon, my impatient friend, soon.

I'm in favor of allowing Merits to be purchased with BP, provided that the selection of Flaws does not generate any. (I may have said this previously, or elsewhere, but as it's pertinent in the most recent discussion I thought I'd mention it anyway.) I'm also fine with Aberrations, provided they're roleplayed as such, along with the "Special Effect" Body Mod for those with concepts which would formerly have required dots of Taint but which shouldn't necessarily have counted as Aberrations.

So the last day has gone a long way to setting my concerns at ease.

I would just like to check in and make sure there is no lingering beef. Nova? Jack? Rev? Are we good?

Lingering beef doesn't even begin to describe it. Just go away.

Jack? Seph? A little help here please...

Both of you have gone to lengths to assure me that I woudnt face banishment or censor. Nova doesn't seem to be coming around though...

edit: Being told to just go away hackles me a bit and my instinctual response is to bite back with something nasty but I am reaaaly trying hard here to come around and play nice. I dont have any reason to hold onto anger. My concerns (finally) were noted and adressed.

I am fine with how things turned out and am moving on. For me this was never personal.

You lying sack. You very much made it personal. You have been my sole source of pain for the past two days. You blithely act the fool without regard for what you do to others. GO AWAY.

Nova,

Overload issues a mea culpa and you continue to villify? WHY? You already got what you wanted.

I think it is time for you to do the right thing, and let it go.

Everybody's still raw, WR. Lay off.

What apology? Link please. And for all the heartburn he's giving me, I hope the link leads to the Magna Carta of apologies and not some half-assed half-apology.

The boy messed me over in a major way. I don't forgive that easily.

You let words hurt you?

Didn't you ever hear about 'sticks and stones'?

WR, seriously, you're picking at a scab that is way too fresh. Stop now, please. I give you credit for listening to people, so listen to me now. Stop, okay?

I'm not playing games with you. It's not fun. Stop.

I am not playing a game either. I was just asking everyone to behave like adults.

Overload, you have a PM. Please attend to it at your leisure.

Sure, since you asked nicely. First of all don't try to convey it was never personal since there were personal attacks. Secondly, don't treat someone as a nemesis as that only leads to antagonism. Thirdly, if there is regret for the manner in which concerns were conveyed then communicate that unreservedly because you'll be talking to someone who was attacked personally and was treated as a nemesis with their very motivation questioned. Next don't presume none of the above happened as reality doesn't retcon itself to our desires. Finally, do communicate in a manner that would minimize a repeat of 1-4. That means if a public posting can't be made without concern for how others will see and interpret, a private message should be sent.

Despite being willing to answer this in a manner I feel will be helpful to you, I want you to understand a thing or two. Nova and Velvet are much nicer people than I am. Seph is unabashedly professional when it is his responsibility to be so, a perspective I understand but do not share in this instance as I am not a moderator. You and I locked horns earlier not because I am Nova's friend or Seph's. It happened because I did not like what you were doing. Because this entire affair has been about the directions of the community,and I know they will go their own way regardless of what I say, I chose to exercise restraint in what I said to you and how I said it.

But do not "interpret" me. I did not say you wouldn't be banished or censured, even though that is the case. What I said was the community will forgive and even forget if the problem is fixed.

So fix the problem.

Ronin's Roughnecks!!

Is this going to be like Starship Troopers, when every time someone around him dies, Seph gets promoted?

I don't wanna be eaten by a bug, and my Michael Ironsides impression sucks.

Yeah. Unless I get to be one of the guys using the "CENSORED!" probes on the brain-bug at the end, count me out.

Hey! That was going to be my line!



Here is that PM:



wow....I mean. WOW. Wait...let me go read that again...

You know , if I didn't feel like I was being asked to abase myself before a Queen before, I REALLY do now.

There are alot of you reading this who I have gamed with a long time. Some of you may know that I can be a bit uppity at times and overreact and its true that this has been one of those times.

Id like to think that over the last year to three I have come to gain some respect from you. For my roleplaying ability, general good nature and for some the love of a rousing debate (looking at you Alex Green)...even when we disagree sometimes.

I have even been a very well respected mod on our sister site.

The audacity here really staggers me, almost as much as how butt hurt Nova is. My guess is that she isnt butt hurt really.

If sticks and stones is true in RL, how much more on the Internet?

The only reason I can think is that she isn't really upset, and this is about having control over someone else. Perhaps because she cant control her own emotions.

This isn't me being nasty btw and i hope you can see that. I never drink alcohol and this is me in a very sober mood.

Apologies btw Seph and everyone, for the misconnception about the nature of these forums. On that Chosen has set me straight.

Also I have been quite pleased with how the discussion has progressed. Some interesting ideas have been put forth and it looks like via Quantum we start with 60 NPs after all!

As for my participation, I believe it takes 2 out of 3 mods to make that decision. The rules from Nova herself were wise enough to state that 1 mod alone cannot have that power. I believe Seph and Fox are willing to alow me, though if not please do correct me gentlemen.

Failing that I can always wait some indeterminate time and i am nothing if not patient, to create a new account and enjoy the forum, unless Nova gets so upset she blocks the forum to any newcomers, which I think would only prove what I have been saying.

But you know what??? And this is the really awesome part!!!

I would even enjoy playing with Nova [gasp!] or one of her alter ego's. I am capable of seperating my characters from my self and words online from my emotional core.

Lastly, to Nova.

I didnt attack YOU. I dont even know you. I know absolutely nothing about you save your posts. What i didnt like was your response/attitude towards me asking why what i had thought was a vote had been ignored overnight.

I AM sorry that you feel so hurt. What I hope you may learn someday is that others are not responsible for your emotions. I didnt MAKE you upset. You CHOSE to feel upset.

You're insane. You're absolutely barking mad. What you think is real is so far away from reality that there is no common thread.

We're done. Forever.

See you IC

No. There is no IC. We're done. Forever.

How will you know it's me? I'm a pretty good roleplayer...

Dream on. You can't even figure yourself out.

I attempted to resolve this quietly, Overload, which is why I sent you a PM. So that no more attention had to be called to this unfortunate fracas, because frankly, it's kind of embarrassing for everyone involved. The mere fact that we're here is a big fucking drag.

You took that very well-intentioned aim at discretion and decided, instead, to project it publicly. In short, you published a private communicae in a public forum, which says to me that you cannot be trusted. Not with discretion, or with anything, really. Let me make this abundantly plain: if I wanted that address to be made public, I would have posted it here.

You just earned my ire. Regardless of what's between you and Nova, you took a private message and made it public, and for that, I now also consider you persona non grata anywhere that my authority extends.

I'm fairly sure that I've been online longer than you have been alive. I'll know.

Now that 'Load boy has fallen on his sword, we can get on with the fun.

Nova's driven a pretty cool world to the edge of realization and I wanna get into it.

No worries, Jack. I intend to follow through on that "within 24-48 hours" pledge in my discussion of the major revision to the 200X Bible. I have 32 hours remaining to get that thing compiled and posted.

No rush, Nova. I want you to know I appreciate the effort you've put in and look forward to seeing this happen.

It should be FUN!

Just because you sent it to me privately doesnt mean it cant be busted open. I didnt tell any of your secrets. As far as I am concerned the world, or at least the forums should know how fucked up Novas "terms" were. I felt like I was being lectured in elementary school.

This whole thing has been about how much I dont want to abase myself before her or ANYBODY with the possible exception of Chosen. The whole idea of the internet and it being publicly viewable is to encourage freedom.

Rationalization and logical fallacy as a way of life is just sad.