Okay, after some discussion, I'm running this up the flagpole a second time:

Working on an inversion of the power Luck for a retread of an old character. After meeting resistance regarding my initial idea, I cheezed the thread, and after discussing some option, here it is, born anew.

The idea was to simply invert Luck so that successes rolled could instead be taken away from an opponent, bu this was seen as unreasonably powerful, since there's no resisted roll. After talking about it further, it was proposed to make the power a resisted Quantum+Curse(Luck) vs. Willpower. Rather than being rolled at the beginning of the scene, it would be rolled as an immediate free action when the target is declared (since you can't roll a resisted roll at the beginning of the scene if there's no one to resist).

Thoughts now?

I officially vote in favor of your idea.

This works for me.

Sure, why not? Works for me.

I didn't have a problem with the first idea, but that's just me.
Let's see where this goes

This duplicates an existing power. Entropy Control: Probability Corruption. And there's a reason why Luck is Qmin=1 (qcost=0) while the reverse is Qmin=4 (qcost=3 or 6).

Probability Corruption already does what you're looking for.

What is the purpose of this power when you already have Probability Corruption for the character? It does the same thing.

Are the rest of you all using dice or something? I still don't understand the opposition to this idea, considering we're writing collaborative fiction, here, not playing a tabletop game, and I can never do anything to another PC that they don't allow.



Those were the modifications you specified. Arschloche.

As to "the purpose", it's the same purpose as taking Quantum Bolt when you already have dots in Elemental Mastery: to hedge your bet and build upon a theme. That's like asking why a character needs Claws if they already have Mega-Strength.



Not exactly, no. Also, the character already has Probability Corruption.



See above. And you're right, there is a reason: Probability Corruption is part of a level three suite power and it's the only way it could be wedged in. Let's not pretend that the White Wolf writer and developers are the flawless and eternally correct deities that some of you seem to have it in mind they are. A lot of the rules as written are stupid, and to use the existing rules as a precedent is equally as flawed.

Don't get yer panties in a twist there sparky. I didn't say no. However the way you've described it above is the same way Prob Corruption works.

If you want me to agree, give me more to work with.

Are you good with me bringing in a Q8 character? No? So game balance is at least a little bit important?

Not quite. The effects of a second q-bolt don't stack on the first, i.e. you don't only get to apply your soak once. Ditto buying a second Domination power, ditto etc. In order to double the effects of Q-Bolt (or Domination or whatever) we really need Mastery.

My read of this, since we're talking about a character who already has Probability Corruption, is that the effects of this *will* stack with the effects of the first power.

The power has been explained to me in more detail by Seph in the chat room. There's nothing wrong with it. It does stack with PC however the Bad Luck can, like Luck, only affect a single action. Also like luck it's limited to it's uses per day.

It's no different than blasting someone with Disorient.

This sounds better.

??? Luck is perm. It's always on. Once per scene you get to roll luck to see how lucky you are, but after that you can apply that bonus once per round or whatever.

For example the ST could (and IMHO should) apply this once per round of cards, i.e. per hand, not per scene (unless he's only having you roll once per scene for gamboling).

Okay then, since Seph finally got off his high horse and actually made a little effort to describe the why's and wherefores (even if he did sound like a whiney little punk while doing so) I'm cool with it.

I'm completely buying this... for a dollar.

In other words, I'm good with it too.

How often can this be used against someone?

Are the results stackalble?

Is this still a level (One) power?

It definietely packs a whallop, especially stacking with PC. Unlike disorient however it applies to dice pools, meaning that Novas still get to keep there Megas, unlike Disorient which lowers Megas first.