The US would join the League of Nations if you guys 'adjusted' a few key congressmen.

Here is another thing you could consider trying to do to bring Europe together. There was a proposal in the late 20's early 30s called the Alantropa project. They intended to create a dam between Spain and Morocco to server two purposes, it would generate massive amounts of electricity and it would lower the sea level of the Med by nearly 130 feet and create millions of square miles of new land. The plan was amazingly popular at the time, but was squashed by Hitler and the Nazi's. There is even some discussion that the idea might be revived in the 21st century in response to climate change.
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/G/Gibraltar_Cathcart.html
It's an interesting read and something to consider for the game. It could be a big piece of the overall puzzle of how to prepare humanity to come together instead of tearing itself apart in future wars.

A little research shows that Diesel (named for the man who invented it) actually started out as a bio-fuel before being switched to petroleum based fuel in favor of the lower viscosity of the petro chemical version. Diesel himself stated that he believed that time would show that bio-fuels would be more important than petro-chemicals.

Makes me think that this should actually be pretty easy, we just need to downplay petrochem and show the benifits on agriculture ...

Unfortuately, many areas of the ME don't have arable land. Omar will not go along with any plan, that deprives the ME from using its oil in some fashion. Sorry guys, but Omar is Iraqi, and he wants to see the ME as a benevolent world power. If they don't use their oil wealth, in some fashion, they will not be able to industrialize.

Besides, the US used its considerable oil wealth to build its economy as well.

What Morgan is suggesting is making all that unarable land arable through irrigation. There is precedent for it in ancient times in several locations. With modern techniques it really is becoming possible to irrigate large tracts of desert. Hell, most of southern California would blow away if not for irrigation. You can use that oil to produce the electricity necessary to pump the water through the desalination process and to the areas that need the water.

Surely Omar must understand too that the Middle East's dependance on oil to fuel their economies will only result in disaster when the oil fields finally dry up. There is also the environmental impact not only global warming but on local areas where the oil is pumped. The idea is to substitue a sustainable, green, industry in place of a limited and environmentall damaging one.

Every country that has used oil to it's benefit has been a functioning democracy before it was found.

Countries that have used oil to become a functioning democracy (as far as I can tell) total a big round zero.

Even if we want to assume Omar is physically around to keep the Kurds on the straight and narrow (this is a job more for Geisha), there's still the rest of the gulf to worry about.

To give you an idea of how hard it is for governments to do this right, Canada misused their oil to the point that 20 years after the fact the locals still haven't forgiven the federal government. Basically the one oil rich provence was forced to sell it's oil to the rest of Canada at below market values. The rest of Canada loved it, that one province was put into a depression.

How did Lorean's body test out physically?

Her body is nova. The things that are obvious: Mega App, and Mega Stamina with Adaptability. Her body seems to have some of the abilities of the ship, but not all. Plus what she does have is way less powerful than the ship. Things are basically scaled down. Her physical body can't sense even the timeline we're on much less any others. She can however, fly, alter her appearance slightly, has a small qbolt, and force field. Except for the forcefield an flight, her other abilities seem pretty weak. Beyond that it is not certain yet what other powers she might possess.

Starting on the 9th of June, and ending on the 23rd, I will be in Georgia. I may, or may not have internet access. If I don't, the ST can run Omar in my stead.

Basically I was wondering if we needed to send out a bodyguard with Lorean, but it appears not.

She and Andrew can handle the magician. The rest of you can handle Stalin.

Fair enough. Given the situation I think working in pairs, at a min, is a good idea.

Our new player will post his show and then things can proceed.

I'm going to open a new Thread entitled Historical Adjustments: Steve and Omar can go ahead and post there what you are planning. I'll NPC Cody for the moment.

I just wanted to say thanks for letting me join, and please let me know if I am doing something wrong. This is my first forum-style RPG experience.

apologies apologies apologies. My last month got way crazy and i was barely home nor near any computers...I hope you will still have me.

If you will then I was hoping to post some kind of catch up...I had a great idea for Cody during the Hammersmith incident but thats right when the hurricane carried me away...

Also it would really help if there was a way to get email notification of posts but i cant seem to figure out how to make my watched lists send me emails

You are definitely welcome. Not sure about email notifications though.

Good to see you back. We thought we had lost you.

It's really odd, I haven't been able to get my Courier account to do that either, but my Troll account works.

So its going to take me a few days to actually catch up...weekends are always my busient time and this one especially...i got asked to be a model/performer in a visionary fashion show! Kickass!


So I was wondering if there would be any objections when I am ready to post of going back and writing some stuff for the Hammersmith event....?

Sure, that would be fine.

FROM : Vajas (Moved here from Timeline Adjustments)
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You know, I don't want to be an ass by intruding into here and Mr.Fox is free to erase this post whenever he feels like, but...

Not only are you trying to prevent the raise of Marxism and it's Ilk together with Nationalism and Fascism by simply removing the key players (which of some, you don't know with 100% assurance that they were wholely responsable).

You are also trying to remove the whole of second world war out of history, and simply vanish the 1929 Great Crash. On top of that, you are trying to profit from all of this.

What really has me running up is, why is your historical revisionism stopping on the U.S. and Europe?
What with you do without the McArthy Era?
What will happen without a Vietnam?
What about the middle east? will you decide to buy all the oil pits to yourself?
How about all the dictatorships in Africa and South America? Will you be getting rid of Pinochet too? How about the Military Dictators in Argentina?
Stop the creation of Drug cartels and 'La Cosa Nostra'?
How about the creation of Teocratic dictatorships in the middle east and south asia?

Really, you got the information of the whole world, for the next 100 years basically, and you decide to profit from it and make the U.S. into an even bigger country?

(As I said, Mr.Fox feel free to delete this post at will, I'm just really wondering the why.)

Courier's Response:

RE: Profit
Not really. Profit is kind of meaningless with all the other resources that are already at the table. Steve's intentions are to gain enough control over various actors in the system that he can push things around without having to mind-rape people. It'd be nice if Steve, aka Bill Gates, could introduce things without needing to be all dark and mysterious.

RE: The rise of Marxism
What I'm trying to do is to let it rise, fail, and then fall apart much quicker than it did. Marxism is going to fail, we already know that. Not because of history, because the system is simply unworkable. If Marxism actually had to answer to it's people for the millions it accidently starves to death, this would have been much more obvious much quicker.

RE: My problems with Marxism
My problems with Marxism is that's the system that's going to be dropping nukes on novas in the 21th century, and it's also hands down the most oppressive to novas in the 20th and 21st.

RE: Making the US even bigger.
Possible, but only possible. One of the big reasons the US is the world power right now is because the various European powers did so poorly at various times. One of the big reasons the US has to play global cop all the time is because there are no international instituitions which can, and because the US got in the habit during WW2 and the Cold War.

RE: ?
Were you going to present alternatives? Feel free to.

I'm going to give Philip and Mr. Gaines a chance to post before updating again in the Ch 4 topic.

Greetings again. I wanted to check in again, and again I do apologize. I have had a tab open to the IC thread where I need to catch up but havent gotten to reading it yet. I am among other things a perfromance artist and had a show this last weekend, and preparation for such takes most of my mental energy.

So. today I am devoting the morning to catching up in the various games I am in including this one.

I have realized however that I have not been getting the enjoyment out of this game that I would like to. Now, nobody panic. Let me explain. It has nothing to do with any of you, or your characters, or mr. Fox, or the story...all those things are wat jazz me and keep bringing me back here.

No, i believe what is the issue is my connection with Cody. Its not that I dont like him as a character...in fact I love him and the idea of him. Its just that I have realized that i am playing him in the wrong game. I brought him into play since Fox said the group needed a telepath. All well and good, but Couriers comment really made it dawn clear to me:




So that really reminded me of how *dark* Cody's concept is. Of course i designed him this way on peurpose....but he was originally concieved as an Elite. His powers isolate him socially...he gains no pleasure from telepathic contact and is geared for a violent lifestyle. Noting wrong with this, but as the game has progressed I realize he just isnt as fun to play within the context of an (utterly awesome) time-trek game.

I would like to ask about changing characters...I should play someone more suited to such a grand intellectual pursuit. I have an idea or two that i am working on that I think will give me more pleasure interacting in this game. Cody is just such a brooding character in my mind that it doesnt quite feel good within the theme of this game...I need someone a little brighter eyed and bushy tailed (taint excluded!).

If this is acceptable, then the question remains what to do with Cody? I dont really like the idea of NPCing him indefinitely if i am still in the game. I dont really want to play two characters in one game. Im not sure he would just leave his best friend Steve (and I apologize for not being more on point with that connection Courier). Killing him off is always possible but never satisfying either. Plus he operates the Crusier (which may not be an issu if we can rework the transporter device).

So. Thoughts? Feedback? Please?

ST allowing, lose about 3 points of taint in the Hammersmith experiment.

There's actually cannon support for this from the Trinity equiv of the H-smith event.

Point-wise you'd be spending nova points to replace the ones you bought tainted.

Ok, lot of stuff to address there.

Transporter has been reworked so cruiser is very cool, but not necessary.
I would much rather have you either rework Cody or create an new character altogether than lose you as a player. You've been a great addition to the game and I'd definitely like to have you around.

One option is that the Hammersmith event did some really freaky things according to the cannon materials. No reason it couldn't have changed Cody in some way, or even 'exchanged' him with an alternate Cody. Or even exchanged him with someone else altogether.

Any of those options sound interesting?

Thats actually a very good idea, but kinda misses the point. See as a player, I actually *like* his aberrations and the whole brooding bit. I designed him that way on purpose like I said. I didnt take his aberrations to save points but because I liked the theme they established. Changing him is an option and I will consider it but I think Id enjoy Cody much more in a darker nova vs. nova context.




Well, I was going to write a little piece about how when Hammersmiths machine started draining quantum that Codys node reacted by pulling back, and he ends up with a ranged q-leech. i like the idea and it fits but again thats yet another anti-nova elite thing to do.

I need to think on it, probably sleep on it, reread Codys posts and look over his sheet and see if I really want to alter him. As of right now though I think I can come up with something fresh that will be a better (for me) fit in this setting. Weve been playing long enough now that I have a better feel for the style of game it is, whereas when I picked Cody I didnt really know what was happening.

The question still remains as to what to do with Cody if I bring in someone new.

Well, if you don't want Cody to remain around then he could be replaced with your new character as a result of the Hammersmith event. As in a different version of Cody is found in his place after the event was over, or a completely new nova altogether is found standing where Cody was when all the smoke clears so to speak. Lots of possibilities. That's the nifty thing about the event. It is a massive plot point where pretty much anything goes.

it wouldnt be a new verison of Cody...thats not the only way to bring in someone new though

Thing of it is that Cody, or someone like him, is pretty much the courner stone of most of our plans. Killing Stalin, Lenin, & Mao probably doesn't deal with the mess that is communismm. The names would change, but we'd still see millions starving to death.

Cody can do in minutes what the rest of us would take months, even assuming it's possible. Without Cody it's probably better for us to throw in with Max and try the minimalist approach.

its times like this Courier that i wish you had some kind of IM technology (freely downloadable yanno...!)

Hrmmm...Im not sure what to say. In a way Im flattered...I *did* make Cody effective for what he does...now I feel all obligated darnit! Is that all I am to you...a tool for your manipulative scheming?!?!? (J/k) ;o)

lol

Gaines, please post a reaction to us barging into your dressing room. If I don't hear from you by tomorrow, I'll go ahead and post an update.

Thanks.

Also, kinda waiting on the decisions about what to do with Cody before posting in the Historical adjustments thread.

Fox.

ack!

When I go back and read about Cody I am totally into it. When I read how the game goes not so much. I would LOVE to play him in an Elites game...or even a Proteus one...imagine what he could do there! (shudder)

On one hand I see what a pivotal role he could be in changing this timeline. On the other...well its still mind raping people. (As Courier so eloquently put it.)

I just went and looked at his sheet...hes an effin badass! So many of his talents and so much of his character goes unused in this game. I made him a telepathic commando really...he could most likely have his way with Omar (no offense) and you guys havent really seen his powersuit and his multi weapon yet...his telepathy makes him a greater threat than would seem at first for the very reasons it is suggested I use him now...

But this isnt a Proteus game so all that is pretty unused.

Not to Cody I wouldn't.

And it seems to me that this is what the character is built to do. I don't understand the ethical concerns, or why doing it as an elite or part of Project Pro would be better than reprogramming Stalin and Mao.

For that matter, basically what the characters are doing is rebuilding Project Pro. We are going to have to kill people. We are going to have to mind rape people. We are going to have to manipulate people. We are going to fund things we like and un-fund things we don't. We are going to withhold information and strike from the shadows. We're going to be using their methods, etc.

And we're going to do this for the best of reasons, and people who find out about us after the fact will marvel at our lack of ethics and responsibility. This IS what and why project pro was founded, and what and why the people in it did the things they did (minus Thetis).

hehehe... Nicely put.

You know, at the moment you guys are kinda operating in a vacuum with no opposition. However, the longer you guys stay in this timeline the more that is going to change. At the very least you guys are eventually going to have to deal with Divis Mal and his cronies. He's just too meglomaniacial to sit back and let you guys have all the fun even if you are building the very world that he would want built. Also, the longer it goes the more other novas that will arise and eventually you guys are going to have a world all ready for novas and full of them. Hopefully it will be going in the right direction, but some of those novas are going to bite the hand that feeds them so to speak. And some will look back at what you've done and not like your methods and challenge you on that basis. Etc, etc.

I can't promise that this is going to turn into a more combat oriented game, it likely won't but there will be more nova challenges to face down the longer you stay in one timeline regardless of what timeline that is. So far you guys have been jumping timeline to timeline to gather intel and have specifically been trying to avoid possible conflict, but that can't continue given your current circumstances. So if you are really liking Cody the way he is, you don't have to completely despair and switch characters if you don't want too. There will be challenges uniquely suited to his specific talents. The longer you stay around any