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#117447 - 06/30/08 07:54 AM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Mr Fox]
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Andrew sighs and shakes his head, a look of frustrated humor crosses his face, "The lab is gonna be pretty crowed with so many people in it ..."
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#117466 - 06/30/08 11:53 AM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Andrew Murphy]
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Lorean smiles in return, "We don't have to all be there at the same time, we can work something out." She turns to everyone else, "Now, I think we were planning to discuss our next move. I'm happy to announce that I have worked out the programming that was used to trap us in the timeline and given it to Max with instructions as to how to plant it along with a link so that he will have full access back when we first met. So that leads to the question of what to do next. Omar, Morgan, Steve and Cody will remember, when they first boarded and were exiled from their home timeline I said to them that I had a range of timelines where I believe the Watchers can be found. Or to be more precise, I have certain timeline coordinates in memory that are designated as their domain but that are not specifically blocked to travel. It follows that the Watchers are most likely to be found there. At the time the group made the decision not to pursue that course of investigation and elected to uncover some of the other mysteries first. It seems we have done that now. I know that Cody spoke before the recent crisis of following up on that original line of investigation and most here seemed willing. I have recruited a new crew and restocked all of the ships supplies. I am ready to proceed unless any of you have objections or wish to visit some other time or timeline."
Lorean looks around the room and nods to Andrew, "Also, Andrew has mentioned recently the need for more data points from other Novas, and the only way to get that would be to visit other timelines and scan other novas." She smiles at Andrew hoping she hasn't offended him again with the reminder. "I have your complete lab set up here on the ship and have reconfigured to make that task easier." Looking to the others, "So any objections or suggestions? Is everyone ready to go?"
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#117479 - 06/30/08 02:15 PM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Mr Fox]
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Steve asks,
"Define, 'scan other novas'. Is that something we need to do ourselves or if we could access Utopia's data would that serve?"
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#117481 - 06/30/08 02:26 PM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Courier]
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Andrew thinks a moment, "I need full DNA workups along with data regarding just how much taint they have. I doubt that Utopia knows just what they are looking for. Hell how long have I been looking? Fifty years? Anyway, if Utopia has that great, if not, we'll need to get it the hard way, I'm sure there is more data to be gathered here but it would be of more use to gather additional taint data as well. Umm ... which timline are we headed to anyways?"
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#117485 - 06/30/08 03:01 PM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Andrew Murphy]
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Steve answers,
"I suggest a trial run before getting serious. Gold world perhaps. "
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#117499 - 06/30/08 05:03 PM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Joani Reikspar]
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"Gold world is a definite possibility." Omar paused, as he tried to recall memories from almost a century before. "Were there any novas there? I can't remember a lot about the place except for removing 100 billion or so worth of gold."
Omar looked at Joani and Ulric. This would be their first time away from everything they knew. It might also be the last time they saw their home. Omar was ready to help them through any transitioning they needed once they left.
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#117508 - 06/30/08 06:50 PM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Ziggurat]
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Ulric seems to mull things over for a moment then speaks.
"Until we - Andrew finds a cure, we can keep using this timeline, and even this time, as our base of operations, right? That being the case, lets see what novas we can locate in Gold World. At the same time, we might want to expend our boundries as Lorean has suggested and trailing these watchers. I just want to make clear though that I feel the cure comes first. We definitely need it and it would be an excellent legacy for us to provide to all novas in all time lines."
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#117520 - 06/30/08 10:48 PM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Ulric Reikspar]
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Steve says,
"Gold World didn't have novas. That's why it's a good choice, we can screw up badly and there's no one around to take advantage of it. We should probably use those rocks as target practice though."
"Nuclear world had novas, big crazy seriously powerful ones."
"What we need to do is get Utopia to gather information for us. Maybe we could give them some of our genetic data in 1999 or so. We let them know about their nut-case at the same time that we tell them what are promising things to look for. Then we fast forward 20 years and see what they've found."
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#117532 - 07/01/08 07:40 AM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Courier]
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As the conversation picks up speed Andrew struggles to keep up, finally jumping in after Steve. "I think you mean to say that we should provide Utopia the genetic markers I am looking for and how they appear to relate to taint? I don't know ... I don't think I mean, that would be a good idea. We know ... umm I think, that everything in Æon was not peaches and honey .. err peaches and cream." Andrew shakes his head as though to clear it. Scowling he continues, albeit at a slower pace. "What I mean to say is that with this information they, sor somebody else, could potentially turn around and use it to justify wiping out novas who might potentially become taint mad.
"No I don't think that is a good idea. But Gold World might allow me ... um us, to break into Utopia databases. The .... the ... what were they called? ... Rashoud facilities ... they might have enough information and genetic data for me to work with."
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#117538 - 07/01/08 08:36 AM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Andrew Murphy]
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Andrew reminds Omar of something, but he can't remember all the details. He asks Lorien for clarification: "Lorien, wasn't there an organization within Utopia that would prevent us from suceeding?" Omar looked at the others. "Didn't we get the damper from a woman in her underground lair who was part of this group?"
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#117619 - 07/02/08 07:26 AM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: SkyLion]
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Andrew brightens, "Proteus, yes that was it. Are you sure? I seem to recall that we accquired a great deal of quantum tech from their storehouse. And did we not take a measure of revenge on that wicked woman? Theta? Thebis? Thetis? I am certain we did that on some post war world, we can raid their archives for the data I need withou interfering with the timeline."
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#117637 - 07/02/08 10:44 AM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Andrew Murphy]
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Steve says slowly,
"We could go back and deal with Thetis before she became the head of Proteus. Drop a pound of coke in her room in college and destroy her career. That would take a lot of the venom out of Proteus I think."
"Then we go forward, say... 5 years after N-day. Lorean stays out of the elliptical plane of the solar system, and we'll see what kind of information we can gather."
"Or we could go see what information Utopia has that's snatchable 2 hours before the nukes hit. They'll have other things to do than worry about us."
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#117748 - 07/03/08 09:00 AM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Courier]
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"Why don't we just reveal the existence of Proteus and what that woman, Thetis, is doing. We go to the newspapers and the OpNet?" Omar said after the others refreshed his memory. "Then we go ahead in time to see what has happened."
Omar let out a big sigh, his gaze wandered down to the earth he had called home for almost a century. In many ways, it was now him home more than his original. "I am tired of lies. I want to start using the truth as a weapon, if possible."
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#117756 - 07/03/08 09:24 AM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: SkyLion]
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Andrew's head swings back and forth like he was at a tennis match as he does his best to follow along. "I think Steve's idea is good. Let's try to get the data I need without risking exposing ourselves. Our powers may have grown but we do know that some of the taint mad novas during the war with humanity had unimaginable destructive power at thier hands."
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#117766 - 07/03/08 10:37 AM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Andrew Murphy]
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Steve answers,
"Precogs mostly pick up events. That means we can't influence events after precogs are around. As for going public, by that time it will be too late. She was ready for N-Day before it happened. If we go public before that time no one will believe us."
"If we go public after it then she'll already have her organization set up which will make dealing with her hard and risky. Also telling hundreds of novas that she's sterilized them will start the whole baseline-nova relationship off on a bad note."
"We didn't let Stalin complete his organization before dealing with him, ditto Mao, ditto some others. We should curb stop her in the 70's. Maybe just have Cody erase her ability to read."
Amber raises an eyebrow and Steve responds, "She's history's largest mass murderer and personally responsibly for my fertility issues. I'm not really in the mood to pull punches on that one."
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#117771 - 07/03/08 11:00 AM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Courier]
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Andrew looks suprised, "Wait? What? Steve what did you say?"
Andrew looks concerned, "Fertility issues? I ... I don't recall you mentioning this before ... curse this taint. If you want me to take a look at it I will, I am sure that we can reverse whatever happened."
Edited by Andrew Murphy (07/03/08 11:23 AM) Edit Reason: gone for weekend
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#117807 - 07/03/08 05:56 PM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Andrew Murphy]
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"Omar, the truth can be our weapon. Is it that easy to forget that we unified an entire planet in a few short decades? I think that we can make the truth come out on any world we arrive on. Hell, meeting the public is my specialty - organizing people is old hat."
"We are a potent force for change on any world we chose to travel to, in any time stream."
Ulric appears supremely confident in his abilities and those of the novas around him, so much so that its nearly infectious.
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#117825 - 07/03/08 09:01 PM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Andrew Murphy]
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Andrew looks surprised, "Wait? What? Steve what did you say?"
Andrew looks concerned, "Fertility issues? I ... I don't recall you mentioning this before ... curse this taint. If you want me to take a look at it I will, I am sure that we can reverse whatever happened." Steve says slowly... "Yes. Thank you. I'd like that." At Ulric and Cody's exchange he says, "Thetis had at least 20 years to get ready for N-day. She has future knowledge, knows of time travel, and is expecting to have to hide from precognition. You should think of her as a evil version of us." "We tried going public after N-day and she had contingency plans for that. We went back in time and re-did our moves to mess up those contingency plans and she had contingency plans for that too. We can't go public with her plans to commit genocide on a species that doesn't exist before that species exists, and giving someone a 20+ year head start on us is just... counter productive." "And Cody is dead right about going against Divis. He's a lot stronger than all of us put together. Heck, *Pax* is much stronger than all of us put together and Divis was absurdly stronger than Pax. We go up against him and we lose." "We, the people in this room, are used to being the most powerful novas on the planet. Get used to the idea that we won't be. The pond is about to get a lot bigger, and we're going to be smaller fish."
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#117842 - 07/03/08 11:51 PM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Courier]
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Omar looked frustrated. He didn't like the idea of not being the the most powerful. He also knew that Steve's logic about Mal was correct.
"What is it that we have, that the others do not?" He finally said, hoping that they could find soething to tip the scales in their favor.
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#117860 - 07/04/08 03:31 PM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: SkyLion]
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Steve nods and says, "That's right. Used correctly, Lorean is unstoppable. We've already proven that." Steve motions towards Mike then continues, "But for that to be true we need to understand our strengths and our weaknesses and use the former and avoid the later." "Worst case with Divis? He teleports to the bridge and threatens to murder every one of us unless Lorean accepts him as Captain. Then while we're still digesting that he drains her batteries dry and then proves he's a stronger Cyberkentic than the Proxies were telepaths. If we're seriously unlucky we also find out he has historical knowledge of Lorean's command codes, which he gets from future Lorean after he wins." "I'm convinced we *never* saw his "A" game. He didn't fire up N-day until after he was ready. To broadcast his manifesto he took over *every* media outlet on the planet at the same time." "What makes Lorean unstoppable is future knowledge, past actions, and movement. So no going public with the truth, no bragging that we have time travel or even historic knowledge. We cripple Proteus in the present by taking out Thetis in the past. If we need to act in public it will be as powerful Novas, not as time travelers. We avoid Divis, and if he takes an interest in us we leave and don't come back. We let all the various factions do their thing while we do ours."
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#117873 - 07/04/08 05:56 PM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Joani Reikspar]
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"Ok," Omar says, his bushy brow making dark furrows in his forehead. "So we find a timeline in which non of us exist, and go there. We try different things until one of them works."
"And if Divis become too much of a hassle, we always have the quantum dampener we got from Thetis."
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#117908 - 07/05/08 12:17 AM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
[Re: Joani Reikspar]
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Amber had got an interested look in her eye when Andrew had made his offer but she hadn't said anything. In response to Joani she says,
"Oh, I wouldn't miss coming. But my powers are like Steve's luck, sometimes it's there, sometimes it isn't. I can never be sure if it's just chance or if it's not working because it just can't work. Call it uncertainty, call it free will, sometimes it just doesn't work and 'why' is only a guess. Also I've never tried seeing across timelines."
"I should mention I can do a day easy. Sometimes I get a week, rarely a year. For this sort of thing a year isn't long enough."
"Precog conflict is... complicated. We don't cancel out, any more than two good chess players cancel each other out. One of us will see farther, or better, or as Steve would say, will just have better cards. Knowing the future isn't the same as being able to do anything about it."
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#117932 - 07/05/08 12:11 PM
Re: Chapter 9: Where the Road Leads
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*Are we sure we don't want to get tech from the far future first?*
"Won't that pose the same danger as going to any other timeline? I mean you said we have to consider Precogs wherever or whenever we jumpt - they do exist in the far future, too? This conversation already endangers the mission as the probability for us to go to the far future to get advanced tech will be foreseen...", Joani shook her head somewhat annoyed. "This line of thought would condemn us to inactivity... I suppose limiting the jumps to an absolute minimum will be most effective for us?"
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