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#117384 - 06/29/08 12:47 PM
Re: Table Talk- OOC Discussion
[Re: SkyLion]
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...somebody at WW actually put alot of thought into his writeup. As written he is one of the deadliest enemeis a player could ever face... The problem for an ST starting at Time=0 is Totentanz is built with something like 150 nova points. He's the most expensive non-Q6+ nova around by far. Assume he's gotten 5+ exp for every nova he's killed and that explains how he's so big and nasty. So he's able to take down novas because he's always been able to take down novas... but build him on 35 and he looks a lot less unstoppable. 1 M-Stam Adapt 1 M-Str Q-Leap 1 M-Dex Cat-Foot 1 M-Perc Bloodhound 1 Q-Leech 1 Invis 1 FF 5 Psi-Shield That's 26 nova points. Put the rest into stats. Maybe he'd survive to be number one, but probably not. No healing, no tactical prodigy, no ranged Q-Leech, no Q-Regen, no Quick, etc. And the only reason I posted something like stats is because we already know they aren't right.
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#117391 - 06/29/08 02:51 PM
Re: Table Talk- OOC Discussion
[Re: SkyLion]
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Id expect he would be smart enought to survive his opening encounters though. If it looks like he is going to be defeated he will probably go Invisible and Q-leap away... That's close to wishful thinking. IMHO he'll end up on the top of the heap just because *someone* has to be, and after you're on top it's easy to stay on top. At this point in time there are a large number of matches he has *no* *hope* of winning. He doesn't have Healing, he can't regen, he's a one trick pony. Granted, sneaking up on someone and ambush attacking them is a nasty trick, but still.
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#117430 - 06/29/08 11:05 PM
Re: Table Talk- OOC Discussion
[Re: Fahrenheit]
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I just posted up my "IC" profile for the Titan. I wanted to point out however that the power rankings are not arbitrary and that some of you, (off the top of my head Katalyst) have highballed your abilites. So for Katalyst, his defense is waaay too high. With just a force field and mega stamina he would have at most 6. Likewise his offesne with m str 1 would be a 3 or 4, probably 3 given his only other attack is a stun attack. Military training is a skill and doesnt do much to elevate offensive abiloites which are based on how much damage you can do. Likewise I would peg his verstility at most at 4. Core is a combat god but is also reeeally famous with a huge marketing machine and he only has 5. Speed would be 5, maaaaybe 6 with M Dex 1 and enhanced move but note that titan is mega fast and only has a 7... I think a few other's also highballed the numbers too. For a look at how the system behind this works check out this thred: http://www.eononline.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1636I would also invite comment from Courier, since he is the one who extrapolated this system from the sourcebooks. He is Alex Green on the EON thread.
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#117452 - 06/30/08 08:40 AM
Re: Table Talk- OOC Discussion
[Re: Titan Omega]
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I'm reluctant to pick out anyone in particular without their invitation; Especially if they haven't had any experience it doing these ratings.
That thread details what we *think* the book used to create their ratings. It's a formalization, but IMHO more ratings is better than fewer, even if they're only up there for fun and even if they're wrong.
If we're going to be formal; Ratings go from 1 (baby) to 10 (Divis). 2 is generic human. 5 is top of the line human. 6 is super human. 7 is good for a nova. 8 is top of the line nova. 9 is normally only seen with the Q6+ group. 10 is the top of the Q6+ group (Divis).
For Strength and Intellect, with no megas just put down your dots. Mega 1 to 2 is '6'. Mega 3 to 4 is '7'. Mega 5 is '8'. Mega 6 to 7 is '9'.
Speed is easy to overestimate and *easily* gets into an apples vs. oranges comparisons. A baseline's 5 probably represents a car, so a nova with a '4' is 'inhumanly' fast right there even without any actual movement abilities.
Offense and Defense are paired, with (I think) Defense tending to block Offense. Meaning that a 6 attack should be blocked by a 6 defense. Offense is pretty straight forward (see the thread), but Defense is not since there's so many misc defenses. Combat Teleport comes to mind.
Versatility is a night mare. Everything but the kitchen sink gets thrown in and there's lots of room for disagreement. Allies, Social Skills, Taint, etc. IMHO in this day and age we'd all score pretty well here, we're pretty much the only novas around and we all have Contacts 5.
Picking on Rich for the moment with only what he's actually shown (thus using Bab's site). Strength: 5 Obvious. If he gets Mega-1 then it goes to 6.
Intellect: 5 Ditto.
Speed: 6 He has a movement power, it’s good but not great. A couple of dots of hyper-flight (or teleport) are probably possible, if it happens then that’s a 7.
Offense: 6 …this rating can’t be less than two lower than a nova’s strength rating, and if the nova has a movement power it can’t be more than one less. Examples: With presumably 6 or 7 dots of Elemental Control: Light + Mastery (i.e. a 24[24] or 28[28] attack) Scripture has a 9. With a 42 die ranged attack, Core has an 8. With lots of Magnetic Manipulation, Skew has a 7.
Rich has only one dot in Radiation Mastery. He also has a seriously hit below the belt effect (contaminating people). His bolt isn’t mastered, he’s not likely to destroy any cities any time soon, I decided to call it a 6. If he significantly improves his EM or buys Disin, then this could upgrade to a 7.
Defense: 4 This is wrong, mostly because I wrote this with the idea that it didn’t include Eufiber, which doubles his soak. His base soak is 11/8, he can pump it (but again that’s unmastered), he could pretty much take a weak Strength 6 attack but much less so a strong Strength 6. His own attack would do lots of damage on himself. So a 6 seems like it’d be too much but it’s close enough that it should be a 5.
Versatility: 6 This is hardest one to evaluate and there’s lots of room for disagreement. As a general no matter what their rating PCs are usually better at this than NPCs. In this environment we benefit from the “big fish in a small bowl” syndrome. No aberrations, good (but not nova level) social skills, money, contacts, decent in combat, only one mega, an Elemental Mastery that he really can’t use out of very special situations, some influence. If it were 2008 I’d probably call this a 5 (Core), but as I’m claiming 6 (Alejandra).
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#117453 - 06/30/08 08:58 AM
Re: Table Talk- OOC Discussion
[Re: Titan Omega]
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My rankings are what I feel are what his abilites are based on a 1 to 10 scale. These by no means are "offical" as none of our's are. So with that in mind, this is also a new game where our power ratings are based on what few Nova's are around at the time. So some rankings may seem high other to low, so what? I just posted up my "IC" profile for the Titan.
I wanted to point out however that the power rankings are not arbitrary and that some of you, (off the top of my head Katalyst) have highballed your abilites. Well thanks your for your comments. Here's my thoughts on the matter. So for Katalyst, his defense is waaay too high. With just a force field and mega stamina he would have at most 6. Likewise his offesne with m str 1 would be a 3 or 4, probably 3 given his only other attack is a stun attack. Military training is a skill and doesnt do much to elevate offensive abiloites which are based on how much damage you can do. Again this is based on the fact that when using his FF he can stop bullets. At worst his base soak with no sucesses would be enough to stop some small arms fire. I'd say that more than justifies a high defense rating, while not invulerable to bullets,his ff can be turned on any time as long as he has the quantum to pay for it. That's the only reason it isn't higher. As for offense he can kill a baseline with a single punch! I think that should speak for it's self. He also has some other power's that he didn't reveal and that is also factored into his offensive ranking. Likewise I would peg his verstility at most at 4. Core is a combat god but is also reeeally famous with a huge marketing machine and he only has 5. Speed would be 5, maaaaybe 6 with M Dex 1 and enhanced move but note that titan is mega fast and only has a 7... I agree with right here. His skill set is geared more toward being in the military so he would focus more on these areas. Speed is based on the fact of having Meg Dex and Wits, which translate's to faster than human speed, but certainly not superspeed by any means. Remember that your Mega stat's add to your walk/run/sprint stats. Once again thanks for the review.
Edited by Katalyst (06/30/08 09:22 AM) Edit Reason: Add some stuff
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#117457 - 06/30/08 09:45 AM
Re: Table Talk- OOC Discussion
[Re: SalmonMax]
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Ya know...it seems to me that since these ratings are technically "IC," which is to say, a person could look up info on our characters in the game and see them, maybe we should have the GM assign ratings based on his notion of how whoever in Aeon is putting them together would view our powers? Problem is the ST isn't wrong but the ratings could be. To make matters worse they can be generated by different people, or even self interested ones. For example Rich has *never* demonstrated Mega-Strength... but the ST knows if he secretly has some. The players can count my nova points and guess that he doesn't really have enough left over for Mega-Strength 3, but Ratings is more of an IC thing than a OOC thing.
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#117458 - 06/30/08 09:49 AM
Re: Table Talk- OOC Discussion
[Re: Courier]
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That's my point. The GM can say, "Well, Audrey Meadows of Aeon has no idea Rich has super strength, so she doesn't count it when rating him."
Then of course, other NPC's might get in on the act once novas explode as celebrities.
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#117462 - 06/30/08 10:15 AM
Re: Table Talk- OOC Discussion
[Re: Courier]
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I think a GM ruling on how much/little we can reveal would be a good thing. It isn't like anyone is being forced to rate themselves. IMHO (and I'm not the ST), Michael Peters might have had Aeon release their eval, or N! (CNN right now) could, or even the gossip types. Or he could just put one up without giving an author and let us make of it what we will.
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#117482 - 06/30/08 02:28 PM
Re: Table Talk- OOC Discussion
[Re: Courier]
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Baseline
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So some rankings may seem high other to low, so what? Because as I said this isn't an arbitrary system. See Couriers excellent posts. I spent a long time conversing with someone well versed in this system to get my ratings just right. As Courier's critique shows I did pretty well. Again this is based on the fact that when using his FF he can stop bullets. At worst his base soak with no sucesses would be enough to stop some small arms fire. I'd say that more than justifies a high defense rating, while not invulerable to bullets,his ff can be turned on any time as long as he has the quantum to pay for it. That's the only reason it isn't higher. As for offense he can kill a baseline with a single punch! I think that should speak for it's self. He also has some other power's that he didn't reveal and that is also factored into his offensive ranking. If you have a defense of 8 that means you can take an 8 attack. That isn't a bullet, that is a Mega Strength 5 punch and then some...
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#117529 - 07/01/08 02:13 AM
Re: Table Talk- OOC Discussion
[Re: Titan Omega]
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Nova
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So some rankings may seem high other to low, so what? Because as I said this isn't an arbitrary system. See Couriers excellent posts. I spent a long time conversing with someone well versed in this system to get my ratings just right. As Courier's critique shows I did pretty well. Yes I believe that you did very well and the fact that you spent so much time on it shows. I'm not knocking you for that and I don't believe that you need to worry about mine either. I'm basing my against what a normal human can and cannot do, as opposed to other Nova on Nova. If something happens IC either for better or worse I'll then adjust, simple as that. We could aruge this point back and forth for days, but there is no need for that. I'm cool with you not agreeing with mine, and I have no problem with yours.
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