Guys, don't forget that Jordan is a teenager, okay? From what I have seen from his friends, he shares a world view pretty much like theirs. The big difference is that his being a nova makes his ability to reach those lofty goals (of having a blast doing what he wants to do) much more likely.

Some of us either didn't have much of a childhood or simple don't bother remembering it. I am happy to say that not every day is life and death. Yes, I work out with Jordan because I see in him alot of what I was like at his age. You know what, though? He teaches me to relax and enjoy life a little more as well.
I can't remember the last time I went to a club to 'just' meet a nice girl and unwind. Jordan has a nice bunch of friends and they were pretty accepting of me. It was strange, but kinda nice. Live and learn.

Ashnod and James; ya, a struggle is coming between the novas over out 'destiny'. We know it and are preparing for the words to end and the fighting to begin.
Trauma is being true to his instincts and adding novadom to the list of the whole of his being. Yes, he has changed, but he also remains the man he was. We all change every day, but we still build upon who we once were and what we have seen and done.

Hey, Ashnod. I still want to meet that little girl of yours. I hope we can find some middle ground were we can co-exist. What do you say?

James, we have bigger fish to fry, thanks to Cornelius and his 'benefactors'. The next seven days are going to be fun in a 'stars blazing and skyscrapers falling' kind of way. Trust me never to leave a hornet's nest alone.

Mr. Rossi,

Up till now, I've been content to hold my tongue on most of your sarcastic remarks. As Jager keeps reminding me, you are still yet a child searching for his place in this world. However, if you are going to keep insulting my people as though you understand them, I am going to respond in kind.

First off, aside from Sovem, Prodigy, and myself, I can't think of any other Terats that are regular contributers here. And while Sovem and I don't always agree, our opinions generally aren't that far off. So, with that in mind, I'd like for you to explain where (in your words) "the Terats on this board is how fantastic they are, how much better they are, how baselines are so inferior, how useless they are, and so on and so on."

I can't remember espousing my own virtues to such a high degree. I can't remember repeatedly saying how inferior the baseline nation is. In fact, I'm one of those in the movement who actually defends the right of the baseline nation to govern itself independent of our influence, because it deserves to decide its own fate. I will admit to repeatedly stating that Homo Sapiens Novus does not need Homo Sapiens Sapiens, but that doesn't make them USELESS.

I'm tired of you sterotyping both myself and a very vital movement to our people. You don't like us? Fine. I accept that. I'm sorry that some twits acting in our name ruined forever your opinion of us. But don't assume you know what we are seeking, what we want out of our lives, or even who we are based on that, and don't assume everyone in the movement are like those people.

I am very, very upset at your "racist garbage" comment. You speak with an ignorance that I can't even begin to combat, and that terrifies far more than any Utopian propaganda. Why am I so vehement about getting others to accept themselves as different? Because, my dear, until we recognize that we ARE different, there cannot be peace between us and baselines.

You say that you are human, my dear, but your people are asked to do the most dangerous tasks, asked to fight wars so that fewer lives are at risk, asked to cure the maladies of a countless masses that cannot cure themselves. We aren't equal to baselines, Jordan, if we were, we wouldn't be asked to do this because it's considered "humanitarian" for us to. One day, you might be asked to do the same. You might not do this, but you will be asked nonetheless because of what you are, nothing more. Doesn't that bother you? At all? Isn't there some part of you that bristles at that? That's the racism you're accusing me of, like the often heard statement make by a black youth "Oh, you think because I'm black I know how to hotwire a car?"

This is going to continue in its many forms, some of the harmless, some of them, like using Nova proxies in baseline wars, deadly, until we as a people no longer wish it to. That's why we need to recognize ourselves as different, Jordan. Because after that, we can relate to the baselines nation to nation. After that, we can begin finding ways to work in concert without having these problems.

I'm certain your idealism is well-meant. When I was a young girl, I was one of those hippie chicks that used to make my own little box on the nationalty section of government forms and write in "Terran" instead of selecting "white." But's that not the case where Novas and baselines are concerned, Jordan, and trying to promote the idea that we aren't different is only going to hurt BOTH species in the long run.

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Ashnod,

You've given me so much ammunition, God where do I start?

Ok you said
You say that you are human, my dear, but your people are asked to do the most dangerous tasks, asked to fight wars so that fewer lives are at risk, asked to cure the maladies of a countless masses that cannot cure themselves. We aren't equal to baselines, Jordan, if we were, we wouldn't be asked to do this because it's considered "humanitarian" for us to.

Are you telling me that before novas appeared, humanity never looked at each other, at other members of society, and asked those who had the knowlede and experience to help out their fellow man, to be a humanitarian? I am reminded of that oh so famous line "Is there a doctor in the house?"

The fact is humanity has always asked for help from those with the knowledge, abilities or resources to do so. I don't see why that would change with the coming of novas. No I do not bristle at that thought. If I am able to help, and I feel like helping, I do. If you feel no social responsibility, that is you choice, just don't claim it is an imposition on all of novadom.

I'd like for you to explain where (in your words) "the Terats on this board is how fantastic they are, how much better they are, how baselines are so inferior, how useless they are, and so on and so on.

I can't remember espousing my own virtues to such a high degree. I can't remember repeatedly saying how inferior the baseline nation is. In fact, I'm one of those in the movement who actually defends the right of the baseline nation to govern itself independent of our influence, because it deserves to decide its own fate. I will admit to repeatedly stating that Homo Sapiens Novus does not need Homo Sapiens Sapiens, but that doesn't make them USELESS.

Better yet, I will use your words, and the words of you brethren. I have taken these quotes from the opposing views posts since the begining of the current topic. Before you cry how these quotes are taken out of context I will say this. Whether in context or out of contex, the comments and remarkes still show what I am talking about.

I will start with James Meehan.

we need to escape baseline influences so that we may create our own culture, one without the omnipresence of lesser influences

This, to me, is rife with one of the basic problems you terats face. A overwhelming sense of your own percieved superiority. Lesser influences tells me you feel that baselines are beneath you, that you are better than them.

We are Novacentric company with both Novas and baselines on the payroll. However, the board of directors are all Novas and no baseline is put into a position of authority over any Nova. To prevent this from being some racist policy we do require that any Nova that is employed have an exceptional talent in regards to their field of work, whether it be music, animation, research, tactical consulting or public relations.

You acknowledge that this, by its very nature, is a racist policy yet you implement it anyways. What happens if the only person qualified enough for a position that has authority over a nova is a baseline? Hire outside the company? How is that going to make the baselines that work for you feel about such policies? That is blatent discrimination.

We are supposed to act upon our will and desire, exploring our Nova nature. Talk of being responsible has also been brought up. So I ask, responsible to who? Responsibility suggests that we can be called to account for our actions. Who is it that will hold us responsible?

Society judges you, whether you like it or not. I hold you responsible as do your peers. If you don't like being judged, think about how your actions will affect those around you, whoever they may be.

Hazzard's a psychopath but like I said, he's been limiting his attentions to baselines. What's the problem?

This is the most irresponsibe comment that James has made and shows just how little he regards the rest of the world. It is one of the most racist comments I have heard in a long, long time.

So lets move on. Next we have Sovem. Lets take a look at some of the "pearls of wisdom" he has graced us with.

Peter, I don't know who you are or where you came from; but if you do anything to frame the ~true~ Teragen, no one will be able to help you. and as for who's in the Teragen and who isn't, I suppose it all depends on one's definition of what a Terat is.

Kind of contradictory there isn't it? Who is the "true" teregen? You claim to have no central organization to speak of, yet anyone who dissagrees with your view of the teregen is refered to as a poser. For those of not part of your little club, why not post a complete and up to date list of all approved and official teregen members so we know who actually, really, gods-honest-truth, speaks for you.

Guage what you see with your own eyes and heart, not with Utopian, or any other organization's, Propaganda.

I do this and I am ridiculed and told I need to grow up. I am told my experiences do not reflect the real world. This statement, combined with other things posted, says to me that the only propaganda I should be listening to is yours. Not very enlightened if you ask me.

If one of his zips murder a nova, and he feels sorry about it, that nova is still dead.

Oh no, we aren't racists, no. We just use racial slurs to refer to humanity, but we're really not racists. No not us, never. Tell me another one.

killing novas, in whatever way, shape or form, that is not already a life-and-death situation with absolutely no options left, is simply murder. Indeed, I believe that doing the same to baselines is murder, which is why I do not practice Geryon's methods. But I still do not believe that his- or any other 'problem nova's- actions justify yours.

So you don't personally believe in murder. Good for you. Glad you have no problem turning a blind eye. Yup, your an evolved being all right.

I do not see any problem with loosing myself of the shackles of my "baseline heritage". I am a Nova. As far as I am concerned, I have no baseline heritage. I was not born of the woman who shares the same last name as me, I was born when I erupted......(and, no, if any of you start thinking it, this does not mean that I want to kill baselines, that I hate my mother, or that I'm embarassed about my past. I'm bigger than those sorts of things, and I should hope you all would be too. I stated my views. Take them at face value- becuase that's how they were written- and don't try to put words in my mouth. Thank you.

The dulusions and sociopathy in this paragraph alone illustrates my point. You were born when you erupted? You were not born to your mother? You have no baseline heritige? You people talk about ME being deluded? Get a life.

And now we get to you Ashnod. Here are a few things you've shared with us in the past.

if Novas everywhere,declaring their independence from baseline structure, causes the baseline nations to declare war on us, then they deserve the extinction we will bring to them, and the consequences of that war upon our own population be damned

?????? But I really want to find a peaceful solution to things. Yah, Tell me another one.

don't believe we have the right to determine the fate of the baseline nation (unless it comes to war, where I will pick their extermination over ours without a moment's hesitation), nor do I think we should wipe them from the planet (again, unless they declare war). Do I believe that they are necessary to us? No. Once our population is fertile, any necessity that they would have for the Nova race ceases to exist. and I believe they have every right to live and they have the right to self-determination. But that doesn't make them necessary to our lives.

In other words, they would become useless to you. This proves my point in your own words.

A baseline does not have the biological capacity to become Nova, and does not have the potential for a Nova's perception.

Duh, where do you think novas come from for the most part? Baselines erupt into novas.

Jager, so help me if just ONE of your people goes rogue on you and successfully kills a Nova without your knowledge or your consent, I'll personally give Hazzard the names and phones numbers of all their baseline relatives.

Yup, real peaceful. Sure, just keep telling yourself that.

Of course I have compassion for baselines. I have no desire whatsoever to have them wiped from the planet. I've said this before as well. My compassion, however, extends only so far, and while I don't want to see them eliminated, I also have absolutely no qualms whatsoever about doing it if they start a war thinking it is the only way to preserve their race.

How do you think they are going to percieve it when you are killing the innocent familiy members of people you think have wronged your "one race?"

There is no point to surviving if you are merely a slave race, after all.

Thats how every human, baseline and nova, feels.

I am neither trying to accelerate my evolution nor trying to push forward any quicker than it would happen normally.

So your telling me evolution happens overnight? If so, what is the purpose of Chrysalis if not to push evolution?

Oh, here is my favorite quote. it comes from your daughter.

Why is it sad that I look down on them and scorn them? I don't treat them any more poorly than they treat me. In fact my even allowing them to breath after the things they've done to us is far more than fair treatment.

If she is the wave of the future, than we have no future.

PS: James, I do want to say I'm glad your doing something you feel is nessissary that doesn't involve mass destruction. I'm also glad that you haven't tried to push your views onto me. Please don't take offense to what I have written here, but I am trying to make a point. You believe what you believe and leave me to do the same. I respect that more than you know.

In closing, I would like to say this Ashnod. My views of the Teregen have come not just from my two physical encounters with Stormbreaker and Dark Matter. They have also come from you, Sovem, James, OPnet appearances by Orzais and your daughter amung others. So look to yourself and those you feel are model spokespeople for your cause when trying to figure out why I feel the way I do about your organization.

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Mr Rossi, I believe that you misinterpreted a number of Ashnod's points.
Her statement about baselines expecting novas to help them simply because they are _novas_ holds a certain amount of weight.

Your reply, that people have always expected and demanded help from those they feel have the ability to give it, is indeed pertinent.

The fact of this expectation does not legitimise it, however.

Stheno, I never said it was legit, I just said its been happening long before there were all these novas.

If you feel I have misinterpreted any of the quotes, by all means, let me know your opinion.

Jordan,
Hope it's okay if I call you that. I hadn't planned on posting anything but ya brought me into it and so I feel I've got to. I know my mom thinks she knows everything and can be pretty condescending but she does usually end up making sense if you sift through her passive agressive bull.

Your rebuttles hold fine if you still consider youself part of humanity, and it's probably pretty easy for you to feel that way especially being a new eruptee. I'm cetain things will change as you do. I might feel the same way as you if circumstances were different, but they're not. Baselines just don't feel comfortable around girls who bleed shadow and have scaled skin. After you're treated like an alien long enought you learn to embrace the fact that you really are different. That's why I don't opt to help them out too much, sure, I've given great contributions to the archeological society but most people don't give a rats ass about that stuff no matter how important it is. oops, rambling aren't I?

Maybe the day will come and you will aberrate? What will you do then when they start to look at you with fear and unease, contempt? Will you still feel the same then? You may have done nothing wrong, acted as a perfect citizen and saved the world a million times over, but they will still think of you as an aberrant. I'm not talking about fanatics like father ryan either, this is everyone. So this brings me to Chrysalis, it's not to push evolution, just to control it. Far better to have physical scars of evolution than mental ones. And they will happen.

I'm not trying to convert you, I don't think Ashnod is either. But maybe you need to think more about what you have become.

I'm sorry you didn't like what I had to say on opposing views, I am not a teragen spokesperson, sure I have my place with them but speak for that many novas, i don't think so. Anyways, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Sorry if mine are to harsh for you, but that's the kind of person I am. I don't think I would say I'm the wave of the future anyways, I spend far too much time in the past for that.

I had hoped that we would actually get along without insult, I don't really know any novas born around the same time as me but I guess we just come from different worlds.

'Kay Jordan, you've had your rebuttal. Lets keep it going. So, in regards to a few things that you commented on.

1. I hate to tell you this my boy, but I am superior to a human. Not in all ways but in a lot of measurable ones. I am faster than any human can ever be, I perceive quantum strands which is something a human *cannot* do. I manipulate raw quantum on a variety of levels. Last but certaintly not least, I am also more intelligent than any human being can hope to be, ever. These are all measurable, definable characteristics, and I beat any human being in these areas.

Now, if you don't want to use definable traits as measurements of worth but instead would like to go along with the bleeding heart 'all people are equal simply because they exist', fine, I will respect your point of view. I just won't agree with it.

2. Yes, NextStep had some racist policies. As I said in the begining, we were a Novacentric organization. I wanted a place that Novas could labor in in which they were assured so that so long as they had the necessary skills that they would be allowed to be in a position of power. I wanted to avoid Utopia's practice of allowing baselines who lacked the skills of their underlings to run things simply because they were 'big picture' (ie. Utopian yes men) people. Look at the case of Dr. Balmer, Antaeus to the populace. His genius in his field is unparalleled (even by me) and yet he was subservient in position to baselines who lacked even human genius. Why? Because they were focused on producing photogenic little victories as opposed to actually effecting lasting and worthwhile change.

3. The comment in regards to Hazzard was out of line, I will admit that. I was in a bad mood and an attempt at levity was poorly delivered.

So, I hope this clarifies my positions just a tad.

Okay...Jordan,

1) Just because baselines become useless to Novas does not mean they are useless, Jordan, You're twisting my words there.

2) Chrysalis is a means of controlling your evolution. It only accelerates it if that is what you are seeking. I am not.

3) Baselines do not become Novas. Latent Novas become Novas. A baseline without a latent Node will not erupt. End of Story.

4) I AM seeking peaceful resolution. I merely have no problem with warring with the baseline nation if they refuse to grant us our independence.

Stop twisting my words, child.

You are misinformed.

If, by chance, this is not the end of the story then perhaps you may choose to re-familiarize yourself with the work of Dr. Sarah Lewis, former Director of Brookes L. Miller Center For Biosciences Research, Georgia Institute of Technology dated 13 September, 2007. Specifically, the abstract of the work done by her team in the research project entitled, "The Genetic Basis For Homo sapiens novus."

Eruption is, by definition, the formation of the MR node where one did not previously exist effected by the release of mutagenic hormones. The sole biological common factor identified in eruptions cases has been the presence of specific sequences in human DNA which were previously thought to be intron sequences. It is currently thought that these sequences are actually a previously unidentified gene which were assumed to be intron sequences because they appeared to be unnecessary.

Perhaps you meant that not all homo sapiens carry these sequences and therefore the ability to express an MR node under the right circumstances and be reclassed as homo sapiens novus when this has happened. A "baseline human" designates a homo sapien in whom an MR node has not been expressed, regardless of whether the individual in question has the DNA sequences which are common to homo sapiens novus.

Personally, even if this is what you meant, I fail to see the point of making the distinction. A "potential nova" is just as dead when killed, just as enslaved when subjugated and just as overlooked/looked down upon because they are mistaken for their cousins not possessing the DNA sequence.

As an aside, there is such a thing as a latent node. It's rare, but it does occur. When an MR node manifests but doesn't seem to do anything out of the baseline human normal range it is termed latent.

Lastly, have you ever considered that the use of terms such as "child" are more often taken as epithets than descriptives and therefore counter-productive? Unless, an emotional response to an epithet actually is the response you're looking for.

Wow, the only thing I can think to say is for all of us to remember that we are victims of our own histories.

Jordan, while I generally support your position, you should remember that you have had a great deal of support from all the people that have surrounded you. Your father is a great man, your friends are tight, and most people in your community have been very supportive of your change. Not everyone is that lucky.

I don't know much about Ashnod and Apep, but I have been able to figure out that Ashnod, atleast is carrying alot of well-earned scars from previous encounters with both baselines and novas, good and bad. I recognize alot of that pain within myself.

James is a great guy, but he sure is cocky. He deserves to be because he really is that damn smart. Everytime I talk to him I feel that I should be sitting in a high chair. I don't think I am breaking any confidence when I tell you that he was once with Utopia. I am not sure what happened, but I think you was subject to a great deal of dicrimination while he was there. I do know that there is only one Project head (T2M) and no directors that are novas in Utopia. That works for them, but can be very frustrating for novas working there.
When James and Co. left to form NextStep, they took some of that baggage with them. I don't like it, but I understand it.

Jordan, something I learned here was that you don't have to like everything about a person to like that person. Politically, James and I are on opposite sides of the fence, but we are friends and we can work together. I don't understand Atwight at all, but I have a sense were he is coming from and that allows us to get things done.
I am still trying to understand Wizard, but when we have needed help, we have been there for eachother.
Ashnod and I are getting over some bitter rhetoric we had earlier, but I respect her position within the Teragen and her abilities as a nova. We just disagree on some key points, as you have pointed out.
I never assume I have all the answers and that my way is the only way. Just because I believe that we are right in standing with our 'baseline' breathren, does mean I don't listen to other views. That way lies folly.
Does this make any sense to you at all?

Man, I am a wordy bastard!

I was going to give a big, long, drawn out response to the last few messages but I decided it wasen't really worth it. No matter what I say, it won't make a damn bit of difference to anybody except for those who already agree with me.

Apep, I doubt we would be able to get along. You are a hatemonger, like your mother, and I want nothing to do with that. I know you don't see it that way and thats fine, just stay away from me.

James, the whole is more than the sum of its parts. You are not a superior being. A superior being would not fall into the same emotional, and sociological traps of their "inferiors". You do, but at least you admit you are a racist, have to give you some credit for that.

Ashnod. Great way to dodge the issues. "Your twisting my words, boo hoo!" Stop contardicting yourself, if baselines are useless to novas, why would you want to persue relations with them after novas have separated and unified? How would novas benefit from that? Oh, and by the way, you willingness to use violence at the slightest provocation from baselines tells me that you don't really want a peaceful resolution, just an easy one.

Jager, I like and respect you. Just because I get alot of support now, doesn't mean I have always had it. I have been teased, picked on, and brutalized for a large portion of my life, just for being different. I still don't feel the need to bully those less powerful than me simply because I can. It's no excuse and I won't accept it. Perhaps if the Teregen stood up and held themseves accountable for the actions of their members, if not to baselines than at least to us novas who arn't in their group, than I would be able to accept some of what they say as being more than hypocracy.

Oh well, looks like I rambled on anyways. See you all later.

Rossi,
You call me the hatemonger? It sounds to me like you've got a few issues of your own. I was perfectly nice to you and you do nothing but insult me. I have made very few posts here definatly not enough for you to label me that way. I don't hate. Anger, sure there's lots of that but hate, no. Do you just assume I am so much like Ashnod? You know I've only known her for a couple of years. I am not anything like her. at all.

Stay away from you? Don't flatter yourself. I only thought it might be interesting to talk to someone who lived such a sheltered life, you know such a normal everyday run of the mill nova. I thought I envyed that. But it sounds to me like your the one who is too judgemental. Not wanting to asscociate with me because of my friends and family?

Soooo sorry to hear you got picked on growing up, that must of been really tough. yeah well now you get the big "boo fucking hoo" from me. I would have traded anything for a life that easy.

Oh, and you didn't answer my question, What happens when you aberrate? When your friends don't want to hang out with you anymore? I hope you don't think that they'll be able to see past that.

Well, I go away for a day or two and what do I find when I return? Children slinging mud at each other.

Jordan, Apep, you are more alike than either of you would probably care to admit. Both of you have perfectly valid opinions based on your limited life experiences.

Jordan, go back and read Apep's past few posts. Can you not sense the pain, anger and frustration this poor young woman has suffered? Has she made some inflamitory comments about baselines? Yes. Does that make her a hatemonger? No, I do not believe so. And on that topic, go back and read your own posts. Your feelings about the Teregen as you have written them are teetering on the edge of hatemongering yourself. From what I understand, you have every right to feel the way you do about the Teregen, however, what you see on the news is not the beginning and end of the Teregen. You do not have even half of the picture, let alone the whole thing. Remember that.

Apep, You do not have the market on pain and suffering, although it may seem that way sometimes. From the hints you have dropped, you have led a hard life. You have been teased, jeered at, abused, more than likely physically threatened and even injured. You are angry and have every right to be. Does that anger justify hurting or threatening others? I do not believe so. You clain to be nothing like your mother yet both of you have threatened the lives of baselines as a whole on this board, admitedly in different ways. It is very easy to invaidate anothers experiences especially when you feel your own are of greater importance or value. Does the bigotry, intolerace and violence Jordan has suffered not count in the face of your own experiences with those same forces? I think not. Have you handled it in different ways? Yes. Can you learn from each other? Most definitely.

Both of you represent the future developement of novakind. Apep, you are one of the few second generation Novas in existence, through you, we see how nova physiology is adapting to the new changes we go through. Jordan, you are one of the younger novas to erupt, through you we see how developing minds deal with such drastic change. Both of you have the potential to shape this world into something greater than it is right now and it would be a shame to see the both of you waste your potential bickering at each other over this. Both of you, let your pain and anger go otherwise you will drown and die in it.

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Atwight,

Thanks for the smack in the face there, seriously. I hadn't realized how pathetic I sounded. Whinning pretty bad wasn't I? I know I'm not the only one whose been through hell and back. Most of the hell I went through has little to do with your average baseline though.

Have I really threatened baselines? Maybe without realizing what I was saying. I don't just go around threatening and hurting people like you may think. I made a point to try not to do those things anymore since I attained my freedom anyways.

How old are you anyways? Hundreds of years? How long does one have to live before they have sufficient life experience?

I AM NOT LIKE ASHNOD. I can not stress that enough.

Jordans problems do seem petty to me, sorry. But you are right, we could learn from eachother, that's why I was hoping we'd get along, but he's not up for that.

You're right about the anger thing too, I'm working on that. thanks for your input

Folks, whatever else we can say about novas, this much remains true: We are all individuals. We do shit differently.

Jordan, you and I had it pretty good growing up. You have had some rougher moments growing up. I grew up a nova, all be it, a small one, so save for feeling alone among my fellow humans, life was good. Both of us were raised by parents who believed that brutality must be answered with calm and restraint, not more brutality. Hell, how many times did you get your ass kicked because you stuck up for someone who was smaller than you? You did what you did because it was right. That is a good thing. Not everyone was as luck as us or had parents able to impart those valuable lessons. Don't belittle that.

That is why I try to figure out why people act the way they do. I don't feel I have the right to judge anyone. I try to take them at face value. I owe Hazzard a great deal for things he did for me and mine long ago. One day, I am going to rip his head off and incinerate his ashes just to be sure, because now he is a psychopath. Once I am done, I am going to weep for him as well. Life sucks that way. Take my advice and make friends. Life will provide you with plenty of enemies.

You and Apep should really sit down and have a chat, while you still can.

Jordan, I said that I was superior to human beings, I never said that I was perfect. You were not able to rebut what I said in any meaningful way so I have to assume you are going to use that soft and cuddly version of equality that I mentioned. Fine. We'll talk again in a few years.

Apep, Jordan may not taint out. I've been erupted for about 5 years now and yes, I have accumulated a pretty passle of taint. However, I've known people who've been Novas much longer than I have and they don't have even a third of my buildup. Maybe Jordan will be one of those lucky ones.

Atwight, and everybody, I am sorry. I took your advice and read all the stuff I've posted. Man, I sound as bad as you say! I had no right to judge Apep, I don't even know her, I just sort of lumped her into my view of the Teregen without even asking her what she thought, thats bad.

Jager's only half right about me growing up though. Yah, I had a good dad, but it hasen't been all peachy keen. It took him a while to accept me for who I am. Coming out of the closet at 13 wasen't the wisest thing to do, and I've learned to live with daily abuse. So while daily gang beatings for 3 or 4 years may be petty to Apep and others, I take bullying quite seriously.

So far, the Teregen have always come off to me as being bullies, I think thats why I reacted so strongly and harshly to anyone trying to defend them. Somewhere along the way I forgot that it takes individuals to make up a group.

For what its worth, I'd like to say sorry, especially to you Apep, and offer an olive branch of sorts. If you want to trade stories or whatever, let me know, I promise not to assault you again. Peace?

PS: James, the definitions of equality are not an either-or situation in my opinion. Every lifeform has an equal right to life, yes. From there though, I base equality on how you use your life and the gifts you have. A mass murdering nova is not an evolved, superior being. Evolution to me means leaving alot of the negative baggage of humanity behind. I haven't seen any nova do that yet. So, you may be super smart, have powers and whatever, you still think, act and react just like baselines. Does that help clarify my position?

Thanks Jordan, I feel better now, I knew you weren't such an ass.

Be careful not to confuse enlightenment with evolution though.

Yep, one tears your mind aparts and the other shreads your genes, kinda like cats and dogs.

So Apep, your mother ever going to cut me some slack for my heretical ways?

Mom cut someone slack? Not likely. She's pretty damn stubborn.

Well, I guess I'm screwed then.

I know enlightenment and evolution are separate concepts, but don oyu think they kind of go hand in hand?

So Apep, whats your story? Exactly how old are you?

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I only wish enlightenment came with evolution.

As for my age? That's a good question. It's been altered so many time that physically I don't know. I look about 17 though. But I'm really small (less that 5') so maybe younger? In all actuality though it gets confusing. Some people think I'm wacko when I bring up these concepts, but I've spent a lot of time in the Seti dynasty. I also frequent another dimension, and I'm not sure if time passes differently there. I'll understand if you don't believe me, few people do.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jordan Rossi:

Ashnod. Great way to dodge the issues. "Your twisting my words, boo hoo!" Stop contardicting yourself, if baselines are useless to novas, why would you want to persue relations with them after novas have separated and unified? How would novas benefit from that? Oh, and by the way, you willingness to use violence at the slightest provocation from baselines tells me that you don't really want a peaceful resolution, just an easy one.

Christ. I'm getting weary of this. Jordan, you of all people, who feel we are all one nation without Nova and baseline division, cannot divine why I'd want Novas to have relations with baselines after separating them? Because, dear, this is their homeworld as much as it is ours, and I have no desire to see anyone removed from it or eliminated from unnecessarily. I will say this again: Novas do not have any need of baselines. This does not make baselines an irrelevant or unimportant species to themselves. There is no reason the two species cannot co-exist on the same planet, but the differences between the two have to be recognized in order for this to happen. And as far as me wanting easy solutions...dear, if I wanted to kill and wound, don't you think I'd behave much more like Hazzard, hmm? I don't want war. But if it comes down to us vs. them, I know who I want to win. Let's compare the two of us: you are the one being trained by Jager to fight, not me. Whether or not you are doing it for defense alone means nothing, the fact remains you are learning the methods of war. I am trying to keep things from degenerating to that point. I'm sorry that you are offended that I would be willing to kill should war break out. Have you given any thought to what side you'd take should (and likely, when) this happen? Hmm?

And no, evolution does not equal enlightment. Not by a long shot.

Jager,

Cut you some slack? You train baselines to kill Novas. There is nothing you can say that will change my opinion of that. No debates on the merits of protecting them from Hazzard or others like him, no altruistic intentions, no "protecting your mother's people," nothing. You agree that we are different species, and you have chosen the species that you do not belong to. I don't agree with your methods or your point of view. And you know, you can feel free to ask that of me instead of going through my daughter.

Atwight,

I've never threatened baseline life here without the subtext of war being involved, and whenever I have, it's always been on the condition that they started the fighting. Please be careful on how you categorize me.

Ashnod,
I was not commenting on the context in which you have threatened the baseline population, simply that you have. There was no judgement or catagorization on my part, simply a statement of fact.

Apep,

As I have stated before, I am around 100 years old.

"How long does one have to live before they have sufficient life experience?"

Let me clarify what I meant. In relation to myself, your life experiences are limited only in that I have had more "time" to experience the worlds. To someone younger than yourself, you would more than likely be considered a fountain of wisdom and experience. It is all a matter of perception. No slight was intended nor was I trying to invalidate the life you have led.

Ashnod, I talked to Apep because she was posting here. As for what I do; yeah, your right about that.

It used to worry me about what baselines were doing to oppress novas in certain countries. It doesn't anymore. You know why? I do more than just teach people to fight, I teach them why they should fight. If it is novas being oppressed, I still had to do something. Whether it was getting hard intel for some Teragen folks or smuggling newly errupted novas out of the ME, we did it. My baseline collegues have helped out novas before and they will almost surely do it again, because we help people. Usually people who don't have anyone else and sometimes their novas. Yeah, they know how to kill novas (a few anyway), but they also know how to save them too.

I do not want my Race (homo sapien novus) to die out. I just don't want them to wipeout or enslave baseline humanity in their quest for survival. I try to make it so my two goals aren't incompatible.

Apep, which Seti? I recall more than one pharoah named Seti. Or are you referring to the time of dynastic crisises in the 4th mil. BCE?

I was refering to Seti I, son of Ramses I of the 19th Dynasty.

Also known as Sethos, father of Ramses II?

I'm impressed, you are well educated. Yup that's the guy.