Which thread is this on?

they are talking about Help Wanted I believe.

Correct.

Modified the date on "Help Wanted" to be two days after the Secrets and Revelations fic, because I forgot about something else I need to do. Thanks.

8s I feel funny ... like my life has been fundementally altered 8s

Nothing major but anyone who is reading the fic "Applied Practice", I did some modifications to reflect that the base is completely and totally underground - nothing major, mouse-spying instead of bird/snake spying. Just thought I'd throw it out there, so there's no confusion.

I actually thought it was pretty clever. Not every solution requires a hammer. And even if a mouse is seen as out of place, its not threatening and more than likely a refugee from the kitchens.

Thank you.. hehe.

I'm going to wait to find out if Steve can stop laughing before posting in SG22 (sorry Aradia).

Sorry guys, I've been out for a day or so, I should be back to posting tomorrow.

Fox, could Cam please help Aradia set up the tents. You should have some some experience with it, being a pilot. They send you to SEAR (?) School.

Omar, no offense to you as a player, but Olivia is not going to sit around and listen to the guy who just put the exact same social whammy on her that a Goa'uld had just done yesterday. If you went chasing after her when she left the table, please put that in your post; otherwise, you were talking to someone who isn't there. Based on how many people spoke between our posts, she was long gone.

It was pointed out that that last line wasn't fair. I withdraw it and will instead add: She might have caught the first bit, but she wouldn't have stayed around for the two or so paragraphs of monologue. She's really not interested in anything he has to say until he starts with an apology for treating her no better than a Goa'uld did (or an attempt to reach out to her as a person, not as an overbearing overlord). Remember, they're the bad guys, tyrants who treat people like shit, and Omar, whether he knows it or not, just treated Olivia like one.

Also, Omar should know that he popped Awe-Inspiring on her (and everyone within visual range, really) since he spends quantum for it. This 'where did that come from? oh noes Livy is all tainty!' is a little bit of a douche move on either your part or his. If it's Omar being a prick, I'd appreciate something about it in his thoughts; if you're doing this OOC, then I don't appreciate it. Very uncool.

In your post you mentioned her skin changing as her temper grew. Omar just noticed it and assumed it was taint related.

I didn't realize she had left. The Colonel didn't dismiss anyone and I assumed you were still there but speaking with Vinny. I can edit or change the post if you wish.

As for wondering if Omar was being a prick. No. He was trying to be stern but focused. His reaction was in response to Olivia's outright dismissal and disrespect towards his opinion. Also, accusing him of being a Goa'uld is not how Livy will get on his nice side. He won't stand there and be told that he's a tyrant when he's been fighting against it for a century. She offended his sensibilities and he saw what Livy was saying as naive. Remember, he's been a Nova a lot longer than Livy and he's used to using his powers. That he used it, and shortly after Kyria did in fact, was only natural to him. What I find interesting is that Kyria did not receive the same reaction from Livy. You used the Awe-Inspiring 'social whammy' as a reason to fuel her anger at Omar but had no such reaction towards Kyria. I wonder why she didn't react the same. I hope it is not an OOC issue which led to this disparity of reactions.

Also, Omar did not yell. I specifically said he was being forceful, but not yelling. He is not a hothead. I'll leave that to Vinny.

I hope that OOC issues are not tainting the situation. I am simply role-playing Omar. Other than the game getting a little soap-opera-like and cliquish, I am enjoying it. I have no issues with any of the players.

You are playing your character and have every right to do so. We have the same right. While Omar might not think twice about using his powers as casually as he just did, most of the SGC characters would consider it a big violation of their personal space or whatnot. I say this only so you understand that most of the characters are going to see Omar as a manipulative prick at this point. For me, it's not personal. But Noah doesn't react well to authoritarians like Omar.

Also remember that when people get mad, most often their skin tone changes. like when people get red faced in anger or when screaming. It seems like an honest mistake.

Finally, I think a lot of us missed Kyrias use of it. The tone of her post wasn't condecending or as agressive aa Omar can get and to be honest it was so long that I just skimmed it. Otherwise I would have had Noah react to it (Wait, was Noah still in the tent when she did it?)

I missed it because it was in the "Show Me" box. Next time if you are doing something that obvious, why not post it in the open so its harder to miss.

I don't think we're inside a tent, at least that's not what I was picturing. I thought Cam had them just sitting outside from lunch, either way, no biggie.

As for the use of Awe Inspiring, I think Kyria got a more positive response than Omar because she was not being argumentative or intimidating. She was polite and explicative. Omar at this point is being heavy handed and rude, so people are more likely to be looking for manipulation and react negatively to it. To put it bluntly, Kyria wasn't pissing Livy off when she used it, so more than likely Livy didn't notice it was being used because she had little reason to think her emotions/perceptions were different from how they normally were around Kyria. There wasn't as much of a contrast because Kyria wasn't doing something to detract from the power.

'Yelling' can also be perceived by a PC from 'raising your voice'. You posted Omar doing that at least twice, maybe three times. That's pretty 'raised' for not being yelling.

Omar may have been a nova longer than the others, but that doesn't mean that his manners and tone haven't made him look like a pedantic ass at this point. He's ignored or belittle other people's opinion, going so far as to accuse them of mental taint issues because they got pale. Skin changes from taint are almost always a great deal more unusual, like say bright green. He's going on about no one seeing his point of view in a way that says 'well, if you understood what I was saying, then of course you'd agree with me. You're still arguing, so you must be stupid or naive,' instead of acknowledging that others might have valid points or are at least entitled to a differing opinion without the commentary on their IQ.

So again, he's not going to be received as well as others that are being polite and has probably cemented a reputation for heavy handed authoritarianism at this point.

The only OOC issue I have here is that you used an enhancement on Livy, then acted like she overreacted both IC and OOC. I don't care about the IC stuff. That's game stuff. It's the feeling that when the enhancement didn't get you what you wanted, you passed it off as Livy having Taint issues instead. She simply used another enhancement to counter your own. In retrospect I should have noted that in a spoiler box and for my part in the misunderstanding, I apologize.

Kyria's use of AI was missed by me, personally. Had I seen it, Livy would have reacted in much the same way; after having a Goa'uld do the same thing to her just the day before, she's formed an opinion about what the use of that power means, right or wrong.

I did mention her skin paling, and then indicated in descriptive that it was a normal reaction to the emotion she was feeling, which was anxiety and fear. Omar's smart enough to know that it was a normal physiological reaction an emotion, even if that emotion wasn't the 'usual' reaction in a confrontation (but is normal for someone who is as terrified as big men as Livy is, something which he's seen from her before).

The problem with him not getting called a tyrant is that is totally how he was acting to my character's POV. He kept telling her that she was dumb without giving her ideas any merit. He might think that she is naive, but even the most naive person in the world can have insights that a more experienced person can miss. At the very least he came off as an arrogant asshole who didn't care what she thought. If that's not what you intended to do, you succeeded; otherwise, you might want to adjust your RP.

You can leave the post, but Livy wasn't there for anything beyond the first couple of lines. Even if it was clear that he was talking to her, she wasn't sticking around. He'd just majorly insulted her, to her POV. At this point, him chasing after her won't work; things have progress. As it is, it looks like Omar kept talking to her long after she left. Just for continuity's sake you might want to have him trying to explain to the others because she does not seem interested in talking to him further. And she's not, if he's going to randomly use 'Goa'uld powers' on her.

I don't have OOC issues with you, at all. I know it seems in every game that we have been in, we've had IC conflict, but that's because you've consistently played a murderous psychopath or a prick to my memory. And I have nothing against you; my characters have issues with your characters and that's it. No more, and no less. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop assuming that I have some ulterior motive when I have my character react ICly yours, since this isn't the first time you've brought this up to me.




QUESTION (marked this way to catch all eyes):

Can we start using 'spoiler' boxes for OOC mechanics, since those leap out and catch the eye even in a sea of text?

That's what I did with Kyria, as I thought it was the standard way to mark that a mechanic was being used. If another standard is wanted by others, please let me know so I can adjust by posts in the future.

Then I really apologize, because I totally brain farted. :red:

The spoiler boxes are not easier for me and the way I read text. I like it out there in the open explaining exactly what power/enhancement you are using. That's my taste anyway. I can try to do it differently if I have to.

I think we can let people do as they please, so long as it's understood that if a spoiler box is at the top or in the middle of text, it's probably a good idea to read it. Boxes at the bottom of the text are usually the ones with rolls in them, but still probably good to check.

That okay by people? I don't want to make this stressful, just get a consensus of what people should expect/probably look at when reading a post.

It might also be a good idea to remember to read the posts of others rather than just skim them. That way certain vital facts won't be missed. I'm bad for this too because I missed Kyria use of Awe Inspiring in my first pass through.

So it appears Kyria got away with it not out of politeness but because the players didn't notice......Ah, well, I'm sure she'll get lectured about overuse of powers next time. And there will be quite a few next times.

Hey Fox, just wondered what the current situation was in teh greater SG Universe?
Is Anubis still around, have they gone to Atlantis yet, have they recontacted Earth yet etc ...

Rorx: Here's some of the information:
http://www.rpg-post.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/146999/Re_Post_Timeline_Between_2nd_a.html#Post146999

Thanks C, but most of the information on the wider universe is a number of months out of date....

Anubis is still out there and a major threat. Possibly THE major threat right now. He is gobbling up the other System lords worlds right now and consolidating power again after his temporary defeat when he attacked Earth.

The Atlantis mission is active. In fact the Prometheus is currently on it's way to Atlantis to make contact with them. The state of their mission is currently unknown. Earth does not yet know of the Wraith.

The replicators are still a threat although one no one has heard from in a while.

The IOA is obviously a major plot thread at the moment.
(I was kinda bummed over the way that went south. I hadn't realized that not all the characters would be on board with the plans. I expected IC hesitation from some but not the hostility. For a couple days there I was just not wanting to read that thread and bear witness to the train wreck, but I'm getting caught up today so I'll pull the pieces together. Those who do not want to participate please let Cam know IC when he approaches you and that will be fine, but for the sake of others enjoyment let them enjoy the conspiracy.)

Thanks for the update Fox

Caine, I can't post till Monday but odds are very good Steve should be doing the subterfuge roll.

Fox, have the Sodan been found yet? I know they were found after the Ori came, but since you're messing with canon, I thought I'd ask.

My pool is 8 plus a Mega with the Persuader enhancement. Either one of us would be good at it, I believe.

We're going to lie through our teeth. Steve has trickster.

I don't care who does it, I just want to move on the fic, please.

Done. Awful roll though, we might have been better off with him.

I was out yesterday and the daybefore. I'll be back online today after 5 and can start getting caught up then. Apologies if anyone's waiting on me.

Fox - I know it can be a bummer not to have the start of a plot work out the way you want, but I actually enjoy the Conspiracies thread. The characters are really being fleshed out, and we're creating our own group dynamics, alliance, and adversaries amongst the PC's in a very organic and realistic way.

I do think we need to look to wrapping the thread up soon (or at least pulling people back together if there's another plot hook to be put out), but other than that, I'm having a blast in this game!

Me too - I'm sorry it didn't work quite the way you wanted it to, but I love playing Aradia and consider this game one of my favorites. Don't be too hard on yourself.

Joint Conspiracy thread has been locked. It will continue in Mission: To Steal a Ship, and possibly in an R&R thread if there are any who don't want to take part in the mission.

I've been letting it go, but Vinny is about to possess me and go off the deep end.

It is 'Anubis', not 'Annubis'

Annubis is a fictional planet from a book series.

Anubis is the villain from SG and Mythological figure.

heh. lol.

Cam plots to make Vinny read many mission reports related to Annubis...

Yay for shipstealing

Fuckin' pilots.

Hah! I wish I could fly. Pilots make really good money.

Incidentally, my uncle actually was the Airforce equivalent of the navy's Top Gun. He earned the top spot in his class or whatever they call it.

Hey Fox, any ideas when we'd see XP for June and/or the Mission starting for stealing a ship?

Yeah. I should get you guys xp later this week. Probably Thursday.

Xp has been handed out for the last month and a half; check your PMs.

In celebration of reaching 5000 posts the limit on megas is now upped to 2, and everyone is awarded 5 nova points.

As always please check with me before any major purchases. Also, please justify your spending via IC threads. Don't just whip out with 100 new skills with no explanation.

Thanks to everyone for making SG such an awesome and successful game. Here's to the next 5000 posts! <Raises a glass>

WooHoo! Congratulations everyone. I'm honoured to be a part of this shared world.

To 5000 more! <Raises a glass as well>

*raises a glass as well* Well done, eveyone (espeically Carver, who's probably 2000 of those posts!)!

Hooray!!

I've started a new fic called The Other Side, a follow-up to Chasing Ghosts taking place shortly after the Conspiracy threads back at the SGC. Anyone's invited to join in, I left it open as to who specifically Kyria asked for help, so if you feel up to mystery-chasing, come join in!