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#22180 - 08/14/03 12:00 AM To Preston
Agnelli Celeste Offline
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Now, I hope I am not mistaken in this threory of mine. But Isn't Thomas Paine a large reason we have this nation?

Preston, if you kill somone with agun, and then kill another by posioning them overyears.Did you not kill two poeple in cold blood?

If I take away your only means of paying for your house, is that any better than it being burnt without you in it?

If I knowingly and willfully give you a drug that is harmful to you.Does it mater if Iwear a suit wile Ia mdoing it?Does it mater if you pay for it?

I think hackers are just as wrong as the suits. But you miss the point. I do not care about the means so much as the ends.And before you think it the ends do always not justifie the means.

Lastly without freedom of speach nothing else maters.
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#22181 - 08/14/03 11:33 AM Re: To Preston
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But Isn't Thomas Paine a large reason we have this nation?
No, Thomas Paine is a small reason we have a nation. Paine hated the british and their monarchy. We have a nation because of people like Washington, Franklin, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, Greene, just to name a few. Paine wanted to tear the establishment down and incite the mob. The ones I mentioned BUILT the foundation of this nations with their blood, sweat, and toil.
Yes, they were all rich (or well off) white men. And?

Revolutionaries come in many stripes, Ms. Celeste. Being one doesn't make them good or bad.

Preston, if you kill somone with agun, and then kill another by posioning them overyears.Did you not kill two poeple in cold blood?
Not necessarily. Little Timmy takes out his father's gun, thinking its unloaded and it goes off killing his friend. Not premeditated murder. People who deliberately poison anybody over more than one episode allways face the maximum penalty. Life without Parole, or, in other states, the Death Penalty.
How does this impact your argument about "Class struggle"?

I do not care about the means so much as the ends.And before you think it the ends do always not justifie the means.
Ms. Celeste, the majority of society doesn't think the way you do. They do care about the means. Killing five little old ladies to inherit their fortune is murder and carries a very stiff sentance. Swindling five little old ladies out of thier life-savings and homes carries a far lighter sentence.
The ends is that both the murder and swindler wanted to be rich. To Society, the ends matters a great deal.

We can argue examples all day long, Ms. Celeste. What I would like to here from you is your proposed solutions to the world's inequalities.
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#22182 - 08/14/03 11:52 AM Re: To Preston
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How does this impact your argument about "Class struggle"?

There is this plant that is toxic to those use it and those around them. It takes years to kill, but it is so widely spread and used that more people have died of it than war.
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#22183 - 08/14/03 04:12 PM Re: To Preston
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What? So now it's Big Tobacco's fault?
Yes, nicotine is an addictive substance.
Yes, they lied about it for years.
Yes, they contributed heavily to various political campaigns for decades to keep the government off their backs.

Didn't the people complain about it enought that the government DID respond?

We can argue examples all day long, Ms. Celeste. What I would like to here from you is your proposed solutions to the world's inequalities?
Please answer the question.
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