I'll say it again:

Sick fuck.

That... Man... scares me. He makes me physically ill. I have nightmares that look like him. It looks like he thinks and talks the same way. His disregard for life is appalling.

How does a man like him get the way he is? He couldn't have had thoughts like this before his eruption. What caused him to fall out of the light so hard?

He, in my opinion, is the epitomy of evil. Corrupted by his own power.

Thank God someone else agrees with me.

Codex, the only reason people, Nova and Human alike, don't agree with your sentiment, is because they are afraid. Of him and his wrath.

I do not fear a tyrant. He looks like his soul now. Corrupted and warped.

If ever I think for even a second that Teras is nothing more than self-indulgent drivel, all I need to do is look at Charr, and his ilk.

It reminds me of the time me and my buddies punked a party thrown by Orzaiz. Nothing like projecting the murder scenes from Nova Vigilance "actions" overlayed with his own lying face to kill the mood.

Getting at other Terats is often as easy as finding their hidie-holes and dropping a word to the regional Uppies or Directive people.

The rest of us can't get on with building our lives as long as there are Terats out there butchering people, and ruining ours.

Babel, while your bravery and skill are admired, it makes you a target. By admitting that, you're probably now on every hitlist ever drawn for people like yourself.

I advise you to walk carefully.

There's a difference between OpNet ranting on a BBS, and Guerrilla Counter-Propaganda at one of the Count's parties.

One catches you flames, the other catches you hot steaming plates of death and or pain. Not necessarily in that order.

Thanks, Lady, but we were already caught and paid the fine. After all, all they got us for was trespassing. The rest was just visual imagery.

Besides, if they form up some kind of death squad to hunt us down, doesn't that further prove our point? They are nothing but pack of terrorists. They just sound good while doing their atrocities.

I've been arrested in a dozen countries and by Utopia, twice, for putting it back in their faces the crap they pull. Were free-speech rules we pay our fines and do our time. If they want to play hardball, we can do that too.

'Kay, let's break it down like this...

Option A
"Hi, my name is Babel and I have considered the possibilities of Teras. These are my thoughts on it."

Option B
"I'm a simplistic fuck with the utter lack of imagination to come up with an idiot identity like "Babel". Because I am a simplistic fuck I rationalize all the choices I've made, gloss over the fact that I can't explain them without resorting to a hallmark card while laughingly trying to "prove" my confused emotional responses as though they were indicative of empirical truth. So I continue in my lonely quest to find other self deluded simplisic fucks with whom I can join by parroting the words "me too" after everything they say."

Listen up Jager. This moron is one of yours. One of those you bitch about me alienating. This utter waste of juice with no mind to speak of, thinking the universe gives a shit about a morality he can't even explain is one of those "unaligned" fucks you winge about and I scrape off my shoe. You want to play general with numbers then go right the fuck ahead. I wish a thousand of these morons on you.

It won't fucking matter.

Get a grip pretty britches. Do you honestly think the Teragen gives a shit about a prank? Personally, I laughed my ass off but then one of the "visions" was my own.

Don't think Big-O is the "buy elites and trade insults and injuries" kind of nova. Which, if you ever stopped hiding in comic books and cyber space, you might actually have a fucking clue about. You know, current events?

Whoops! Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt your latest episode of Lovely Super Sensei Cyber Cat Flower Power Pseudo-Lesbian Cartoon Trying To Pretend It's Not Soft Core Bondage While Being Watched By Old Men With Fantasies About Zip School Girls anime.

On the other hand could talk about the teeming life forms on this planet you gleefully use, abuse and snuff out through out the day without a single concern because of simple esthetics. Never mind, that would get too real and interfere with your rich fantasy life Wouldn't want that now would we. The you might be able to avoid thinking about what's really eating at you.

Carry on soldier.

You're welcome. You should be more careful about who you associate with though. Some of these novas are real twisted fucks. I can't be your baseline toy though. Wouldn't want your ex to lose his special place now would we.

By the by... I didn't think you wanted to "sleep" with me. Never in a million years would such a thought cross my mind. Pretty obvious you want to sex me though. I mean come on... All those little innuendos. Pretty hard to miss that.

Heh.

As much as I am being to dislike you, you do make some good points.

How can I say this? Considering the poisoned wine the world will offer Novas of this age, if one wanted to be self-indulgent one would find a cult of human fans or worshippers or take the blood money of Ms DeVires or sup with the devils themselves which are Utopia.

There is very little that is self-indulgent about giving up the money that is offered, your family, your pervious existence or your freedom to fight for the betterment of your Race. We have and will give up everything we have known and loved for all of Nova kind. We have learnt the lessons of humanity and we seek not to let Nova kind fall into those traps.

You may call some of my brothers and sisters self-indulgent because they speak with tone of self-rightness but they have earned that right. They have not sold their souls for lies, flattery or money. You may hate their truth for the lies it exposes at your core. You may argue the nature of words. You may even disagree with him, but in the end he has taken steps on a road that you do not understand. When this over there will only be one set of foot prints in the sand and it will be ours.

It is possible that Charr will not live to see this battle won so he has my support in feeling if not always in action.

Its may not be pretty but it is a reflection of that truth they'd rather claw their eyes out than see without their comforting little illusions.

Some would say I probably won't.

That doesn't matter though.

Charr any loss is all our loss. However much some people will fail to relise this.

Char, you're both juvenile and a nutcase.

Sometimes I wonder why people like you even got nodes.

Of course, even simple reasoning will not work on you, since you're "so much more holier than thou" and I am but a worm to you.

Who's living in the fantasy world?

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Then you've just agreed with my statement that Charr is indeed living in a delusion of his own creation.

The irony is so cutting, isn't it?

At least my "fantasy" world involves some sort of common true respect between Human and Novakind.

Who has the better vision? One where the blood of millions of Humans and Novas floods the streets, or one where Novas and Humans live together. Not holding hands, but respecting one's space?

Humans and Novas both have the right to be here on this planet. Because we were both born here.

It just saddens me that some Novas and Humans have forgotten that fact.

Actually, Sakura-chan, I'm referring only to the fact that you are calling someone juvenille and a nutcase.

I am not agreeing with you.

If I may speak my piece?

Teras is a way of choice. Some of us choose to live in the world of baselines, others don't. Do not belittle anyone for their decision.

I feel sorry for the novas who have become enslaved to baseline desires for money or adulation, not derision. I would like to show them one day that one can have all of that without becoming enslaved to them. As certain monkeys can be trained to serve humankind, so can baselines be educated to become our servants. It is the way of things, after all.

Say what you will. Those who agree, I am holding a little party. Contact me privately for details, as I dislike gatecrashers.

Asherat

Asherat, that it is a wise thing to say.Remember that it's huamn nature to have conflict.

For countless ages,people fought over witch tribe,city,nation had the best invisible friend.So, please understand that people will be fighting longer over true differences such as these.

Charr, I stepped into this how?

Forget it. You want a fight, you can surely find one.

Jager, as much as I dislike Charr.I wouldn't like seeing him die at your hands.So, if he ever wishes to hit his head into your fist,kindly make sure there is proper medical treatment near by.

Charr isn't my fight, Signy. Nor, am I his.

We disagree. It happens. I have been called a disagreeable fellow, before, and I am likely to be called that again.

Charr isn't my fight, Signy. Nor, am I his.

We disagree. It happens. I have been called a disagreeable fellow, before, and I am likely to be called that again.

Jager, did you get the ability to Clone recently?

Do I hear the squeaking of your bike as you backpedal? I thought higher of you.

Sakura-chan:

Let's get some things straight.

You are, depending on how you view your sanity, what, nearly 20 or nearly 40? You believe you spent some 25 years in an alternate timeline. You toggle between wanting to be taken seriously and acting like a schoolgirl. You still, at times, refer to yourself as a "tempest in a sailor suit." You are a grown woman who insists on acting and dressing like a child. You apparently are in control of a vast fortune, yet lack absolutely all maturity required to use it properly. You begin blatantly black-tech projects and advertise them and their progress to your heart's content. You unleashed some terror onto the OpNet a few years back. You are apparently intelligent enough to craft things, but at the same time, required a stay in a psychiatric ward away from OpNet access due to a mental breakdown. This is before, I might add, your little display at Lemmy's release party. Giggling, poking your head out from underneath the furs as though a fourteen year old at a slumber party? From someone who stayed twenty-five years where? Or someone who believes they have?

Charr, on the other hand, has taken a hard look at the state of the world and made a decision on how exactly he plans to live in it. He understands precisely the stakes he is playing against, and knows exactly the consequences of his actions and accepts full responsibility for them, without apology. All of this with a sharp sense of humor aimed purposely, deliberately, at those who make quick judgements about him because they cannot stomach what he is doing. You may not agree with his actions or his philosophy. You don't have to.

Juvenile? Nutcase? And you honestly thought that I was agreeing with you?

Pot. Kettle. Black.

*Applause*

Charr, what could one say about him?I could think of many things,and to be honest I can't think of many nice things at all.I feel he sees only what wile happen today,and not the day after. He wishes to be treated better than he treats others,and either acts like it, or is sexually deprived.So I say one last thing about charr.Get laid.Go screw anything that will get you off,girl,boy,animal plant, or whatever gets you going.

Brother, it's a waste of time to stroke an ego as large as Ashnod's.

I'm not strokin' her ego girl, I'm applaudin' her willin'ness ta say what needs ta be said.

Does that mean freedom is wanting slavery, or believing you are no longer a slave?
Perhaps I am nit picking a little and you are just trying to be a little Zen.

I get a name insult from a guy calling himself Charr? Read your bible, bitch.

This moron is one of yours.

We don't follow, or lead, Buttercup. WE DO. We don't need anyone to tell us right from wrong.

One of those you bitch about me alienating. This utter waste of juice with no mind to speak of, thinking the universe gives a shit about a morality he can't even explain is one of those "unaligned" fucks you winge about and I scrape off my shoe.

In your sick, twisted dreams, scuzzball. I'm not going to waste my time with a fanatic like you, too true. I know what I'm fighting for. Freedom and equality for all. Is that too simple for you?

Understudy, give it all up if you like, but don't ask the rest of us to do it. I got no rocks with you doing your own thing, as long as it doesn't screw with the rest of us.
You may call some of my brothers and sisters self-indulgent because they speak with tone of self-rightness but they have earned that right.
Says you, and that's whats so wrong. They haven't earned any such right in my eyes. They follow your belief system, so they are the Righteous. Smacks of arrogance and fanaticism to me.
Interesting that you use a God-analogy there at the end. Footprints in the sand.
And I understand Charr all to well. You think his brand of murder is unique? How ignorant or blind, mate. Too true.
You don't have to be Jewish to understand genocide.
YOu don't have to be Black to understand terror and oppression.
YOu don't have to be Bosnian to understand that your neighbor suddenly has no more room for you in their world.

YOu don't free anyone if you deny freedom to others.
You think you are not repeating baseline mistakes? Look around you. Check the net. Not a damn thing original about anything terats say or do.

Asherat, you ALMOST made sense, but ..
Teras is a way of choice. Some of us choose to live in the world of baselines, others don't. Do not belittle anyone for their decision.

then you fell down into the great teragen lie ..

I feel sorry for the novas who have become enslaved to baseline desires for money or adulation, not derision. I would like to show them one day that one can have all of that without becoming enslaved to them. As certain monkeys can be trained to serve humankind, so can baselines be educated to become our servants. It is the way of things, after all.

assuming that a nova who doesn't agree with you is a target worthy of your pity. You keep believing your way is the only way, mate. Your wrong, but I dont' expect you to ever realize that.
I am fighting for nova freedom. It goes along with fighting for everyone's freedom. I don't need to murder helpless people to do it, either.

Is this place crawling with terats or what?

Babel, I deny no one there freedom. I do not force people to see the do want to see or do thing that they do not want to do. I Do what I can to stop the oppression of our kind within these limits.

As i said I do agree with Charr's actions only his feelings.

This true. You can as we have done look at the history of mankind and learnt the lessons they still haven't, but I feel i am repeating myself a little here.

Some people believe that killing will be part of this fight for freedom. I know that Novas have been helplessly murdered to keep the lies and the oppression going on, perhaps you have yet to kill for freedom and perhaps you never will and perhaps it isn't necessary. And then Perhaps not.

If you are already free do you really need it?Once you Gain freedom you do not need anything, for you are free of needs.But to put it in other words, if one is happy? Does one need to have more joy in their lives to still have the happiness?

I'm not all that sure that we are ready for total freedom. Freedom is also freedom from restraint, and being what someone called "a crunchie", a don't mind a little restraint being shown in my presence.

What is freedom anyway?

Freedom must certainly not be chaos, because then there'd be riots in the citys, blood in the streets, and general anarchy.
Freedom isn't order, where everything has a purpose, and never strays from the "track" it's assigned.

If you ask me what freedom is, I'd tell you freedom is to make your own choices in life knowing the responsibilities that come with those choices.

Freedom is when you're allowed to pick the colors of the palette you use. Not being given said palette with colors already assigned to you.

That is true freedom. Of course it depends on the theory that everyone is born inherently good.

Endeavor, you need to pick a side and stay to it.You need to do this, as way of life,and even in single posts.This post is a good example of your flaw.

We mustn't let people do what they want,that would be wrong.Everything must have a reason.

And then you say that people shouldn't be told what too do.you say freedom should only be given if we are all born good.

I say we are.I in fact say that the number of evil people is far smaller than the number of people who do evil things.But that is tangent for another day.Just think about this way, I wouldn't call Hitler evil, anymore than I would call Jesus, such.

Perhaps I used the wrong analogy. What I meant to say, is that everyone has to operate under some rules in order to be free. Hell, the universe operates under set physical rules that everything abides by. Down the line are more exacting rules. Eventually leading down to Life and the rules and laws they live by. Perhaps what I should have said is that true freedom is knowing everyone else is living under the same rules you are. Not a select few who know them and enforce those rules on the rest.

Also living free from fear and paranoia is probably the greatest freedom of all.

This is quite a difficult subject, I must say. I doubt a node could figure this one out.

Blue, Where in my statement did I say that only those "born good" should have freedom. I only said that True Freedom could only exist if the theory of people being born good was true. Because then we all wouldn't need laws and rules.

Before you go off on a rant, and read between the lines, you should ask what someone meant about what they wrote, and not jump to conclusions.

I think you do not understand freedom.Freedom is something you can't have tied down with rules.

And Endeavor, it's only paranoia if there is no reason to fear.

Blue, you hit it on the head. I'm still trying to understand the concept of living without rules.

You see, what you're trying to produce as a definition is part anarchy, and part chaos.

It is within even nature's domain, that there are checks, balances, rules, and laws. They aren't written, but everything falls within certain rythyms.

Would you feel more free, knowing that someone wouldn't mug you on the street because "they felt like it" and "there's nothing to stop me"?

When you don't have to look over your shoulder, that's one step towards freedom.