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#25875 - 04/08/04 12:39 AM I am no longer human.
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Registered: 12/05/03
Posts: 381
I am no longer human, I do not think novas as whole aren't human.I think I am not.I am as far as anyone can tell completely devoid of emtions.I have seen more than a few doctors,and talked to many novas. I am unaware of what has caused this, but I am fairly sure it is not taint.It is strange, I seem to have none of this qauntun back lash.

I do not understand it.I want to be scared, I want to uneasy at the lack of fear,joy,hate, love.I am not.I am not bothered,even. I just wish to understand.So with this I say that I am alien, in the trustest form of the world.
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#25876 - 04/08/04 02:04 AM Re: I am no longer human.
Jager Offline
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Registered: 01/20/01
Posts: 4725
Loc: Apex, NC.
No, your human alright.
If it isn't taint, its old fashion madness. No worries, though. You are just combining a need to be special with some serious psychosi, which isn't overly unique, in and of itself. You being a nova allows you more leeway, is all.

Want = Desire, an emotion.

As long as you control the environment of your treatments, you won't get better, which will only lead to sorrow.
It is easier to use you, as you're insane. Ego would only blind you to their actions. Your personal desire to be emotionless will only aid them.

The old fashion name for psychotherapists was Alienists. Something you should consider.
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#25877 - 04/08/04 11:30 AM Re: I am no longer human.
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Offline
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Registered: 06/11/02
Posts: 2992
Loc: New York
Quote:
Y.T.:
I am no longer human, I do not think novas as whole aren't human.
So if I have a kid with a baseline, what does that make the kid?
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#25878 - 04/08/04 01:11 PM Re: I am no longer human.
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Nova

Registered: 06/01/01
Posts: 533
Loc: Ombos
emotion = human ? I don't think so.

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#25879 - 04/08/04 02:09 PM Re: I am no longer human.
Y.T. Offline
Nova

Registered: 12/05/03
Posts: 381
Apep, Emotions do not make human, true.But what is a human without emotions?I have no empathy, no fear, nor greed.I look at person,and see nothing more than a puzzle.I look at the blood on a battle field,and react the same as I would to seeing a laughing child.

And Troll, I can't have children, birth "defect".
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#25880 - 04/08/04 02:17 PM Re: I am no longer human.
Wakinyan Offline
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Registered: 01/24/04
Posts: 3214
On a side note to this. I have wondered since I have changed if I can have kids. Even by artifical insemination. (which would be a lot easier than all natural all things considered)

I just wonder if I am even genetically compatible with Baseline or Nova anymore. I mean I know my plumbing still works. I just dunno if the Salmon wanna go upstream if you catch my drift.

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#25881 - 04/08/04 03:09 PM Re: I am no longer human.
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Offline
Nova

Registered: 06/11/02
Posts: 2992
Loc: New York
Quote:
Totem:
On a side note to this. I have wondered since I have changed if I can have kids.
Maybe, but likely not.

All novas are exceptions, but the average nova is expected to have problems having kids, even without your enhancements.
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#25882 - 04/08/04 05:24 PM Re: I am no longer human.
Neil Preston Offline
Nova

Registered: 12/09/02
Posts: 1456
Loc: John Hopkins Medical Center
Doctor Troll, that makes your child a latent nova.
The term baseline is often misunderstood. It stands for the accepted norm of human potential and is a scale inwhich superior abilities can (in theory) be measured.
Also, in theory, there are three types of homo sapiens on the planet. Homo sapien sapien (Wise guy wink ), Homo sapien novus(New Wise Man), and Homo sapien labius (Sleeping Wise Man). I say theory, because biologically speaking, HSS and HSL are identical, can cross-breed, and breed out.
Your child would have what it needed to be a nova, but if he/she breed with a HSS, there would be a chance of your grandchild being an HSS.

Okay, here is where the hypothesis may run off a cliff. If you have a child with another nova, that child should be an HSL, not a HSN, but not 100% of the time. I think there is a possibility of a child being born HSN, which is damn scary.
If you are all into nova supremacy, you should be okay. Under pressure, your child will erupt.
But, if that incident never comes about, the child would be considered baseline in what they could do.

Also, I have heard a great deal about the "Nova" gene going down gender lines. I don't think that is the case, or if it is, it isn't the norm. Sorry, but that's what my research and experience has taught me.

Now, so I can be labelled a crack-pot and laughed off the stage:
I also theorize that someone, or group, has manipulated, or attempted to manipulate, nova genetics, leading to, among other things, these genetic gender-tied anomalies cropping up.
Otherwise, the roughly million-to-one ratio of being a nova could be tied down among geopolitical population lines.
The US would have roughly 300 novas.
China would have 2000, as would India.
Nigeria and Indonesia would have 120~150 each.

Well, I have no data on China, and my info on Nigeria is a bit sketchy, but I do know that the United States and Europe have more than they should.

Totem, as for your concerns, I'm not sure. A large number of novas are sterile, but I'm working on that too. I am toying with a theory that novas may not erupt with the same level of nova-oriented sexual maturity. Yes, all your little sailors are sailing, but they could be shooting blanks, for now. In time, your body could adjust, and you could become fertile.

As I told you when we first met, there is so much to learn about novas as a species.

Another theory I've heard of, but not sure I subscribe to, is that there is more than one subspecies of nova, and they may not be compatible to one another. Maybe not even socially compatible.

I can't say which scares me more: The Chinese government controlling between 1000~2000 novas, or a nova race war.
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#25883 - 04/08/04 05:30 PM Re: I am no longer human.
Neil Preston Offline
Nova

Registered: 12/09/02
Posts: 1456
Loc: John Hopkins Medical Center
Y.T. what specialists have you gone to? If nothing else, your brain chemistry could be off-kilter, and your nova metabolism could make a standard course of psychotropic drugs useless. What you have doesn't sound like the standard sociopathic, or emotionally-disaccossiative disorders.

I would offer to help, but due to your condition, it would have to be under special circumstances. Sorry, but you fit well within the accepted parameters of criminally psychopathic disorders.
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#25884 - 04/08/04 05:45 PM Re: I am no longer human.
Hugin Offline
Nova

Registered: 07/23/01
Posts: 2967
Loc: Tokyo, Japan
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Originally posted by Neil Preston:

Well, I have no data on China, and my info on Nigeria is a bit sketchy, but I do know that the United States and Europe have more than they should.
Consider possible factors:

Does malnutrition during development factor in as it does with normal brain development?

Cultural factors. China and India are heavily rural. Does this alter life stresses that may bring about eruption? Is borderline starvation that is simply the accepted norm not an eruptive determinent in China because it is the norm whereas starvation in the U.S. and Europe is much more rare, and not being accepted be more stressful to the latent Nova?

Just some random thoughts.
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#25885 - 04/08/04 06:07 PM Re: I am no longer human.
Neil Preston Offline
Nova

Registered: 12/09/02
Posts: 1456
Loc: John Hopkins Medical Center
Yes, I have looked preliferally at both those factors, but frankly, you and Codex would discount some of the neural development angle.
You were Down's Syndrome(?) I recall, and Codex was and is autistic (Asperger's Syndrome).

Your not alone. There are three known incidents of people in comas erupting. One person had suffered severe brain trauma.

Maybe some other aspect of malnutrition, though?

The rural aspect ...
Would that it would take on some sort of verifiable data.
What about Japan? It is also an under-achiever(nova-wise), isn't it? But, it would fit back into the brain underdevelopment angle, due to the abnormally high levels of mercury and iodine in the environment, with the resulting birth defects.

Frankly, the only tie in that I have found is laughable. The introduction of bio-engineered rice back in the early 1960's throughout India and South-East Asia during the UN's War on Hunger.
The Chinese developed their own breed, but borrowed heavily from UN data. That variety ended up in Egypt and Eastern Africa.
Indonesia, due to human rights abuses and UN politics, didn't get it until 10 years later.
In West Africa, it was drought-resistant corns and fungul-resistant yams that were introduced at the same time.
These programs saved millions and millions of lives.

The thing is, eating rice and yams, even if bio-engineered , doesn't alter the consumer's genetics.
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#25886 - 04/08/04 06:17 PM Re: I am no longer human.
Y.T. Offline
Nova

Registered: 12/05/03
Posts: 381
Quote:
Originally posted by Neil Preston:
Y.T. what specialists have you gone to? If nothing else, your brain chemistry could be off-kilter, and your nova metabolism could make a standard course of psychotropic drugs useless. What you have doesn't sound like the standard sociopathic, or emotionally-disaccossiative disorders.

I would offer to help, but due to your condition, it would have to be under special circumstances. Sorry, but you fit well within the accepted parameters of criminally psychopathic disorders.
Do, I scare you Preston?this is odd, as logically I wouldn't harm you. I have no reason to.If I was seeking help in understanding myself,and you could help me, wouldn't it be in my interest in keeping you safe?
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#25887 - 04/08/04 08:16 PM Re: I am no longer human.
Neil Preston Offline
Nova

Registered: 12/09/02
Posts: 1456
Loc: John Hopkins Medical Center
Y.T., what sets you off? I sure as hell don't know yet. You make your living crossing the globe, killing people.

What would happen if I learned something about you that you that you didn't want learned? Your response is an unknown.

I'll walk into the unknown, but I am more cautious about walking into a known danger.

I am still willing to meet, but I am expression caution.
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#25888 - 04/08/04 10:11 PM Re: I am no longer human.
Matryoshka Offline
Nova

Registered: 08/06/03
Posts: 541
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#25889 - 04/08/04 10:14 PM Re: I am no longer human.
Y.T. Offline
Nova

Registered: 12/05/03
Posts: 381
My words are my binds. If you practice the rule, but not telling anyone what you find out.So, you keep your word,I'll keep mine.

I live by my word.I go around the world,killing legally.I do not lie about who I will kill, and I do not let the people who I swear to kill,live.I may not have the strongest morals, but I tell you,this, that I am ethical.
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#25890 - 04/11/04 02:32 PM Re: I am no longer human.
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Baseline

Registered: 03/18/04
Posts: 36
Loc: manchester
A question all Nova will face at some point, are they human. One of the challenges facing Novas and humans is answering that question to acceptably.
If it was a simple question of biology then many Novas simply could not be considered human due the differences.
By those people who feel their word should carry the weight of law have rejected this solution. A few people have tried to and failed to redefine the nature of a species and sub-species so that Novas can be including, this normally results in most of the animal kingdom being included (either that or some Nova stop being human every time they turn into the bird or similar).
Some people have decided it decided it is a matter of choice, and then the Teragen I believe rejects most baselines that put their CV forward.
Some people and this view I believe is the one that holds weight with those who would make the law is that you are born human, everything else is just growing up. Well there was once a time when people where born slaves. As for today many some people change their gender, skin colour and everything else they where born with. We have reached at point when being born as something carries less weight then in the burning times.
But perhaps when one becomes a Nova being human or not isn't a question. Perhaps being a Nova isn't a question of species but a something else. A Nova can be all that it is to be human and so much more. Nova may not exist outside humanity but beyond it.
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