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#30289 - 10/11/04 05:56 AM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
Liam Stewart: TAG Offline
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Registered: 08/07/04
Posts: 181
Loc: Houston, Amsterdam or Addis Ab...
But I should feel alright when the basis for their argument is that Project Utopia is faceless to them? That they can make or repeat any conspiracy theory, rumor or fever dream just because they feel like it or have nothing else to say? That they can say whatever they want without even bothering to think about what they're saying?

A couple of days ago GrtMonC said:
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We have it so that learning things can be fun before simply the act of learning can be seen as wonderful. We have it because lessons taught to us by a felt frog to not be mean seem to take hold a little better than when mom or dad says it while being stern.
What you can understand isn't what Bastian can understand or at least be explained in the same way. A carpenter in Amsterdam has a different view than the president of Nigeria. We're here for the benefit of humanity and that's a big group of people that aren't always in agreement and won't come away with the same understanding after hearing the same explanation.
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Utopia is here to save us. Utopia is here to deliver the better tomorrow. Utopia is the path to the light.
Then maybe I need to change some things. We're a big organization with a lot on our plate.

It may take a little time.
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#30290 - 10/11/04 11:14 AM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
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Registered: 06/20/02
Posts: 877
Whether there is a conspiracy or not behind Utopia there does seem to be a tendency with large organisations to become monolithic. That is to say, organisations become static and prone to react in the same way that they have always done, even when that way is not the most efficient.

Why else would Utopia insist on sending Tn2M into that area after the sad events of the 'Equatorial Wars'? I suspect they will even claim this as a victory too. I hope this is the case as the alternative, that they are throwing Nova's into the cauldron to thin out our numbers, would be unthinkable. Liam, TAG, what-ever, I wish you all the luck in the world in your undertaking.

Holocaust, I hope you're feeling back on track soon, maybe you should consider asking your employers for a change of roles? You may be one of life's pacifists and that is nothing to be ashamed of. Some people simply prefer to remain sensitized to violence.
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#30291 - 10/11/04 02:48 PM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
Bastian Offline
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Registered: 06/23/02
Posts: 316
Loc: Tricomolee, Sri Lanka
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Originally posted by Liam Stewart: TAG:
... I would guess him to understand in his current mood...
It's not a mood TAG, it is my heartfelt belief. I do not apologize for my passion.

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Originally posted by Liam Stewart: TAG:
I'd say it helps to understand the concept of stewardship but that's probably education talking.
Yes, I understand the concept. I merely practice it as someone who can see farther, knows more, and can do things more effectively than some baseline bureaucrat on your board of directors.

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Originally posted by Liam Stewart: TAG:
I said no crap so the rest of that stays with you where it came from. I'm not going to help you feel better about this.
I feel fine about this, actually. Project Utopia's multiple failure to both the people they were trying to help, and to the novas they sent illustrates some of the difficulties novas have working under those who can't truly understand them.

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Originally posted by Liam Stewart: TAG:
You're right.
Thanks!!! laugh laugh laugh
That wasn't so hard, was it?


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Originally posted by Liam Stewart: TAG:
We didn't protect them from war, famine, strife or pestilance. We didn't protect them from death and taxes. We didn't drop everything to exact revenge. And for choosing to assist those in need we paid a high price. We'll pay it tomorrow, the next day and probably the day after that. Some of us will pay for a long time. We're Project Utopia.

We're here to assist.
You still don't get it.
Teen2M was there because some baseline thought it would be a good Public Relations moment for Project Utopia to place your band there.
I am not faulting PU novas for wanting to help ... to assist in making the world a better place.
I am faulting you for following a less-capable person's directions and serving their adgenda.
I am faulting you and yours for working on your knees, heads bowed, when you should be standing tall and looking toward the heavens.

I don't care about any Project Utopia conspiracy crap. I despise the organization for its stated purpose. I despise it because it seeks to enslave one race to save another from itself.

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#30292 - 10/17/04 08:58 AM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
Liam Stewart: TAG Offline
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Posts: 181
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I feel a great sense of pity for someone that can see so much but understand so little. What you and men like Creature tell yourselves is your concerns about your choices. What comes from inside you stays with you.

Walker and Bastian, we were there because we could assist. Some of us choose to do that. Thank you for your concern.
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#30293 - 10/18/04 02:19 PM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
Walker Offline
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TAG, you must, of course, do what you believe is right. I would merely urge you to make sure that the choice is really yours. Where I can, I myself like to help out with animal rights/welfare issues and a year and a half ago I even, shock-horror, helped Utopia's Environmental Services conduct a number of biodiversity surveys in Costa Rica, a task for which my talents are superbly suited. It was entirely my choice and I refused all forms of compensation though of course they offered me money and much more.

Here's another thought, what the hell are Utopia doing throwing essentialy unsupervised teenagers at problems like this? No offence TAG but I remember how bulletproof I thought I was at your age and I hadn't even erupted by that point. I can't imagine what drugs they must have been on the day they came up with Teen2M.
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#30294 - 10/24/04 01:15 AM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
Morninglight2 Offline
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Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 105
WTF-ever!

Ya lot who're puttin' crap on Tn2M, I ain't seein' many of ya out there an' doin' crap ta help folks. Yeah, some of ya are, but most of ya ain't.

So shut up already.

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#30295 - 10/25/04 10:45 AM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
billy Horrorshow Offline
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Registered: 10/08/04
Posts: 391
Loc: San Diego
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Originally posted by Jennifer 'Dervish' Parks:
WTF-ever!

Ya lot who're puttin' crap on Tn2M, I ain't seein' many of ya out there an' doin' crap ta help folks. Yeah, some of ya are, but most of ya ain't.

So shut up already.
This is a more articulate point than most of what I've seen, though it does beg the response:

"OMFG! I gonnat killz you! i bdo lots alot of thangz that yous dunt see becuz i am so secretly savin the planit Earth wit my Frotness of Solidude.
Oh N did u knew dat I haz a drank named afta me?"
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#30296 - 10/25/04 06:54 PM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
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Registered: 01/20/01
Posts: 4725
Loc: Apex, NC.
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Originally posted by Jennifer 'Dervish' Parks:
So shut up already.
Aaaahhhh .....

No.


Billy, did someone miss their meds, or did boredom finally make you claw your eyes out?
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#30297 - 10/25/04 07:24 PM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
billy Horrorshow Offline
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Registered: 10/08/04
Posts: 391
Loc: San Diego
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Originally posted by Jager:
Billy, did someone miss their meds, or did boredom finally make you claw your eyes out?
Probably a little of both really.

And I was trying to duplicate Blue Cherry's "I build houses for poor folks in secret" post that I've grown to love. Isn't it great when you can tell exactly when someone found the spell check button?
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#30298 - 11/08/04 11:43 PM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
Long Offline
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Registered: 11/08/04
Posts: 1635
Loc: Tokyo
I've never understood Utopia's little crusade to help this world. Sure I've gone out and done my share fighting the "bad guys" in Kashmir, but I'll be honest, the only reason I see fit to help humanity is that they help my bank account. The way I get looked at, all the things I've seen in the flames of battle, The baselines just don't mean a hell of alot. my advice, go out and confront your memories. Beat them and move on otherwise you're stuck as you are and you'll never progess further on life's path.

"Ryu, are we gonna die?" "Probably."
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#30299 - 11/08/04 11:49 PM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
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Registered: 09/18/04
Posts: 594
Loc: Chicago
Long, I'm confused. If you think baselines are that useless, why do you even bother with money, couldn't you just take what you want?

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#30300 - 11/09/04 11:01 AM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
Jager Offline
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Registered: 01/20/01
Posts: 4725
Loc: Apex, NC.
Amped, POWER does not equal Transendence.

(Felt someone had to say it.)
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#30301 - 11/09/04 01:57 PM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
Long Offline
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Registered: 11/08/04
Posts: 1635
Loc: Tokyo
Jager has the idea. Amped, I may not like baselines much, but I do see why they're here. I'll take their money, work for them so long as they respect me. When they stop, I move on. We all hafta make ends meet somehow, and I make good money providing security. I don't think I'm all powerful, hell, very far from it, but I'll take what I can get. Besides by playing by baseline rules they hafta play by them too.

"Ryu, are we gonna die?" "Probably."
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#30302 - 11/11/04 06:39 PM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
Stephanie 'Holocaust' Hu Zhan Offline
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Registered: 05/19/04
Posts: 42
Loc: Washington, DC
Back, rested, feeling much better and thoroughly disgusted. mad
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#30303 - 11/13/04 04:39 PM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
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Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 284
Well, my little darling I am rather glad to see you are well. I would like to inform you that within three days you will be getting a rather large basket of assorted goodies. Ranging from a small statue of you(I would say about one forth life size),too chocolates. I hope you do not have to live threw another thing like this. The Statue is not done, that is why it will take such a long time. I do hope you like marble,and onyx.
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#30304 - 11/14/04 11:49 AM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
Jager Offline
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Registered: 01/20/01
Posts: 4725
Loc: Apex, NC.
Stephanie, Dreamer has given me an idea.

How about I send you some large blocks of Marble for you to work some sculpture on? If you are going to be spending time with Tarot, it may give you something to turn your hand and mind to.

What do you say?
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#30305 - 11/14/04 04:16 PM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
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Registered: 10/29/04
Posts: 951
Loc: Havana
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Originally posted by Dreamer:
I do hope you like marble,and onyx.
Onyx is a nice choice if you're on a budget. Marble... Not so much.
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Originally posted by Jager:If you are going to be spending time with Tarot, it may give you something to turn your hand and mind to.
Use to teach an art class as a substitute. A more forgiving medium might be better to start with. Its not a bad idea though.

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#30306 - 11/14/04 08:15 PM Re: A Bad, Bad Couple of Weeks
Jager Offline
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Registered: 01/20/01
Posts: 4725
Loc: Apex, NC.
I can get hold of some decent, yet cheap Mexican Marble to work with, if she is interested.
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