OH MY GOD Totem. Do you think anyone will listen to you?

I think that true growth and transformation has very little to do with western liberal notions of progress or nazi-esque super human theorizing.

Your mind, your brain, you, are constantly changing all the time anyway, makes sense to me that you put a bit of direction behind that change. I see the Teras notion of evolving as meaning you have more freedom to be yourself rather than conforming to something. Of course evolution isn't the best term really, and notions like seperate species don't even come close in my never very humble opinion.

I don't know about it sounding "white", but it does sound wrong. There are niches in this world and if you fit into one it is utter arrogance to defy that. The evil we see in the world comes from defying our proper place.

No I don't think they will. I think I understand where he is coming from though. If it makes you happy who cares what you are doing. I don't personally know anybody who likes cleaning up vomit, but if someone did then good for them. They should stick with it because that is what they want. It's good for me because it fills a niche that I wouldn't want to do. I've noticed that some Terats sit there and say "I do what ever I want I am a GOD!", but really they are only mimicing someone else. If that make them happy then, again, good for them.

I'm all about happiness. Do what you want not what you can.

Largely agreed, Conduit. (Note: The low relevance of my opinion is asserted.) But what if making other people unhappy (directly or indirectly) is what makes someone else happy?

"I don't want to sound racist here but the whole concept of self evolution/improvement/gain seems very..... White to me."

Now, I'm insulted. Do I look white to you? What's wrong with earning your keep?

"It just seems like another form of greed. You push forward no matter the cost or demands. It is all about yourself and nothing else matters in pursuit of it."

Wrong, wrong, wrong. I do what I do for Knowledge. If it can be shared, I share it. It's the discovery, not the power. If one does otherwise, they eventually become lost. The thing is one must watch for the consequences of their actions and keep in mind the bigger picture.

"No one wants to stay where they are happy because the next hill is always greener and taller than the last or so they think anyway."

Oh, it would be such a nice world if people would settle like that. Thing is, in my experience, everyone, Human and Nova alike has always strived to surpass some barrier or to achieve some sort of goal.

It's the intent that is important. The path is also as important.

I realize you are not white Endeavor but I tend to equate greed to western ideas call me baised. (also note my post wasnt directed at you specifically)

Not every human strived to surpass. However in the end it proved them weak and where annihalted because of it.

So let me ask you Sakurako while I know Biotech isn't your speciality I will just pose this as a thought experiment for you.

You found a way to cause any human being to erupt into a Nova. It just took some genetic alteration and pop goes the Nova. The ease of which you could piggy back this into a viral vector would be child's play. So you could give the entire world the gift of gifts. Would you do it? By your own striving and goal reaching you will have opened new doors for humanity to reach beyond. Would you? Would any of you?


Personally I would give the world less than a month if that happened.

TO-mato, To-MAto, E. The pure pursuit of knowledge can also lead to incredible suffering. It is can also greedy and very short-sighted.

Many paths can get you lost. Its arrogance to assume you've found the one that won't get you lost.

Whose bigger picture?

Of course not.

If I knew how to do such a thing, I would kill myself to keep the information secret, if so required.

I would NEVER open that pandora's box. I already know what could happen, and you overestimate the Earth's remaining time. It would take 2 weeks after a global eruption for our planet to be engulfed by nova-on-nova war.

Everyone here knows what I am capable of, and what I WILL NOT do. I find it interesting that people would debate ethics with me, when they're only preaching to the choir.

I find it incredibly annoying that ever since I popped my node, that some people think I'm some sort of Dr. Frankenstein.

I have every reason to believe, outside intoxication or diminishing of faculties, that my moral compass is well calibrated.

Totem, I do hear you, at the very least I know where you're going with your point. But honestly, I am not anything to worry your feathers bald about.

And Jager, you do have excellent points, but there are some things that at least in my moral neighborhood that matter more than anything. Life, Nature, Cause and Effect, and the consequences of one's actions.

E, ever discharge a inter-dimensional device in a planetary atmosphere?

What were the precise odds of it ripping a hole in said atmosphere?
Please don't say it was an impossibility.

"I don't want to sound racist here but the whole concept of self evolution/improvement/gain seems very..... White to me.
It just seems like another form of greed. You push forward no matter the cost or demands. It is all about yourself and nothing else matters in pursuit of it."

Not gain (or even necessarily improvement), change. Change is the heartbeat of the universe - the very thing that makes the world go 'round. Change is not 'white' or 'Western.' It is just how things are. There is nothing that escapes this. It is possible to hold back the tide with some effort, but this is just staving off the inevitable.

Trying to stay the same is both a waste energy and, really, doesn't even make sense. In a century, your world will be different. You can deny that and apply considerable effort toward resisting it, or you can adapt to your changing environment. Which choice is more reasonable?

Change the scale. You are reading this, and - since you are doing so - I assume that you are fairly comfortable with the whole 'surfing the OpNet' scene, right now. Before long, you'll need to go do something else: eat, sleep, talk to someone, whatever. Even without that, you'll probably just get tired of doing the same thing. So you do something else. You change your state. Does it make sense to continue to do the same thing even as your needs change with time?

Think about what 'stasis' really means. That which does not change eventually just dies, and the speed with which this occurs is - all other things being equal - inversely related to how much it is capable of changing. This applies to all things, be they evolution in action or a corporation collapsing when a bubble bursts.

I most certainly have not done such a thing. And I would NEVER do such a thing. Either the event you described would happen, or the resulting sub-quantum harmonic alterations of matter would convert the gasses of the entire atmosphere into different atomic configurations within their capability in terms of the sub-atomic particles that can be created. While nothing would survive to see this event because the radiation alone created by the conversion would kill anyone or anything instantly.

...Fuck... Just caught myself there in a boldfaced lie.

You have a point. Mind you I was not in a stable state of mental health although I obfuscated otherwise. I'm not even sure if that event even happened and was just a figment of a still broken mind.

The fact of everyone being here makes me question if what happened to me while I was gone from the public eye for 2 months was a real event.

And even why I would go on such a misadventure is beyond me now. I guess in my mental state I was... Suicidal. No... completely mad.

I'm suprised one of you guys didn't just park a sniper round in my head and finish me off then and there before I was a threat.

It's what I would want. I don't want to live as a maniac.

Totem you are the most racist thing I have come across. You follow the riche,and may call your propaganda, understanding but boy are you racist. Look the Buddha,look into Zin, Hinduism,and where the Jewish religions started. Not one of them started off in the west. And many of them had the ideas that you so hate after being formed in basically vacumes from the west.

So, face the facts that nearly every religion has at it's core the idea that people should try to become better.

Interesting..... I wasn't talking about religion so what I am really saying is go ramble in the home grandpa I think it is applesauce night and the orderly's are paid to listen to your senile rants.

You are talking about a mind set that you claim to only be "white" and then later western.

Religions are mind sets, and teachings. You have to remember that before resent past your religion and your science were one and the same. you were taught by holy people who were followers of one mind set. I pointed the fact that said mind set of self evolution/improvement and gain are from all around the world.

So Totem if you still do not think I am talking about the same thing that you are, please tell me what you were talking about? Or were you under the idea that secularism was someway not an Western idea that largely started out of the back lash of the dark ages?

I wasnt speaking of religion just greed and all that has been done in it's name. Sure you can say it was part of it but you need to realize greed was around before god ever was.

I had your back, Endeavor. That's what friends are for.

If we do not reach, we do not learn.
If we don't try, we don't learn.
If we don't fail occassionally, we never figure out what we should do.

Sometimes all you need is faith. Faith in one another and faith that this reality isn't all "0's" and "1's".

Merry Christmas, my friend.

And then you have to tell me how the Aztec, Mongols, Xue, or the Chipowa weren't greedy? Or do you understand that greed is something that all human cultures have had?

Hey, Rightguard, how about you get off featherbutt's balls? I thought you were down with Teras bitchboy. What's with the fascination with monkey religions and shit?

You got the node, you is the god. Why yap about chimp deities?

One,I do not think I am a God,and two having a closed mind will never be the proper way of expanding your mind. Lemmy, I walk my own path,and part of that path is understanding the past.

Vanguard, Lemmy is very right in this. For the vast reign of history, we have been considered Gods, Spirits, Dieties, and Demons. Only under the brief tyrany of the Monotheists has anyone tried to assign us lesser roles than the ones we are born to be.

Lemmy's mind is not closed. In fact, it has awakened to the very real sense of our spiritual reality.
The Winter is coming.
Its name is Lemmy.
We had best be ready for this new reality.
Evolve or perish ... and never forget to have an unforgettable day, every day.

We are archetypes. We shape our powers as our powers shape us.

God. Monster. Boddhisativa. Asura.

Does it matter what we are called, so long as we just are?

Like you said, gods are archetypes, Neshomeleh.

My thought; people should know their own selves. Whether they want to put a label to it then hide it away, or skyright it on the horizon in letters five miles high, is personal choice. Some might even know without going to the effort of articulating what it is they know and what that entails. The questions and the pushing doesn't stop until the last veil is pierced but part of getting there is knowing.

Why focus on the metaphysical when we can barely handle the physical? Why bother debating about god or nova when the world is overpopulated and diseased? Don't we have something more important to focus on?

Honestly, there's too much for just me to do. I've barely made a dent these last few months.

Oh.

It slipped my mind that some of you were nucking futs. Thanks for the reminder.

Oh, ouch man. Seriously, ouch.

You including ol yours truly in that?

I'm hurting here. Hurting.

By definition, aren't all artists a bit unhinged?

Creativity grows slowly in stable ground, but flourishes on the slopes of volcanoes.

Cull Even experience of the purely physical could be called metaphysical because we apprehend it through our senses and construct the impressions into a picture of reality. Maybe the metaphysical is all that there ever really is and all that is ever really discussed? From the Baseline perspective Novas are vastly more powerful and inscrutable, looks like a god, smells like a god, probably is a god.

But of course until we have a Nova language describing Nova thoughts and concerns only then we're going to be stuck with appropriating Baselines terms to talk about what we are and what it means to us. In my own experience only deep telepathic contact removes these barriers effectively, so maybe telepathic contact and the like could be our form of language.

Why do we need to call ourselves Gods? Do we need to feel cumfort and pride,at the idea we are in some way measure better that what you call "Baselines"? Do we need to think that they too will stand still forzen in place, because we are here? Do you think our gifts are so spacial and unique that they will not make toys that would surpass our abilties? Do they not have planes that go faster than any bird?Do they not have trucks and machines that can put more force than any other none nova?

I do not think I am more than human, nor do I think I am better than a human. I do not think I am human. I do not think any aragment can be made to do justice to our differences on large enough scale to make a co migenling of our people a worth wile endeavor in the long run.

But,I again have to say ask this. Do you call yourself a God,because you want them to fear you,or because you fear them?

Walker, you brought up a few good points,and I will look into them. I wish i had all the awnsers,but I do not have them now,and I do nto think I ever will

Amen ta that, brother.

I ain't a Project paraphysician, but they tell me that our faith an' everythin' can have an effect on our eruption, even if it's somethin' totally unrelated that triggers it.

Look at me. I'm Islander, an' in the Strait, chance an' weather are a big deal. So never mind the fact I erupted 'cause I was freakin' out over my dance audition, I ended up with chance an' weather bein' my [censored].

Oh, Mister Terat-who-left-his-spellin'-ability-behind-with-his-humanity, lay off Lemmy. For a supporter of evil terrorists, his music really rocks. (No pun intended.)

Interesting observations, Brother Vanguard. As you point out, you don't walk that path, nor do I. Still, we should try to be more open to those who feel a closer connection to the Wild than we do. I thank Totem for expanding my horizons at his People's Great Gathering.

IMHO, it would be wrong for us to become animals. It is not wrong to delve into the animalistic natures within us all, though. There is a difference. We should not become trapped by our choices.

My point was not that you should limit yourself to not acting like a beast, but that acting like what you look like is a lot like novas playing human.

As opposed to acting inhuman?

I am not a beast. I look like one. I tend to act and think like a human at times. I am not one. It is as simple as I define what I am. My instincts are a part of that and I don't intend on becoming a foaming at the mouth beast anytime soon. Have a nice day VanTard.

Actually wait a second.... I am a beast and go fuck yourself.