What does everyone think of these "Teragen" people? I see all the negative stuff that is put on them, but is there more to them than just being labeled Terrorists?

Some of their ideas make sense, i.e. the "We are more special/different than baselines". Well, duh. Yep, we are.

The rest of it seems like nonsense and/or wishfull thinking. "We shouldn't associate with baselines and by not associating with baselines a perfect society will be formed".

When their lead spokesman is known for sleeping around with baselines one has to wonder if it's just a marketing ploy. Anyone gone to a "Divis Mall" for shopping recently?

They seem like a rather unsavory bunch to me. Dress it up in political or philosophical trappings all you want, but when you get down to it they are separatists who kill to get their way.

Blah on that.

Hey Hey Hey, Terats are the followers of a Philosophical point of view.

Why do you label all of the Terats as Extremist without actually knowing them? Falling for the Project's Propaganda much?

Want to hear of another people who did that? Nazis. Nazis claimed that ALL the Jews, Gypsies, Gay people, Old People and Sick people were bad for the country and deserved death. Was that true? No.

Terats are as bad as the next Christian or Muslim that defend their faiths.

It has come to my attention that any group can have it's extremists and moderates. However, it's the extremists that usually define a group. What you need to look at are the numbers of any particular group who practice extreme beliefs.

With the Teragen, it seems that most of them want to be left alone to their own devices. Those who don't, will be dealt with as a matter of course. Society, afterall, needs protection from sociopaths and misanthropes.

Horse shit. I'm the very picture of savory.



I'm only in it for a sex, booze, and orgies.



Well... uh, you're lame.

I'm with P3 on this one... These "Teragen" people sound pretty dangerous, especially when they're talking about superiority and supremacy. Even if it's only the extremist/radical elements, I'd definitely think twice before opening my door to one.

Up until now, all my interactions with the Teragen have been negative. I'm not sure if that will change anytime soon, either.

Never did label them all as extremists, I'm sure that there are plenty of peaceful Terats out there to. It's just that you don't here much from them.

As a side note is their any Terats here that could help me to understand what Teras is all about?

Look up 'Brotherhood of Mutants' on Wikipedia. It's pretty much that.

Way to be original Divis Lehnsherr.

Don't critique if you don't know.

The Teragen is a loose confederation of Novas built around the creed that we are not like humans, and we shouldn't try to be.

We were given great gifts by the Quantum lottery that is Nova hood, we should use them and push them to their limits to really know what we are. So far Novas have had an attachment to their human side, but imagine Novas reproduce, those kids will never know what is like to be without powers or to be Human, will it be right to make them BE human just because every other Joe Schome didn't manage to pop?

Teras is a teaching that shows us that we must push our powers and explore their capacity, Nova powers are based on basically reality re-writting, that means most Novas could realistically do everything they ever wanted to, why not try to do it?

If you really want to know more about Teras you should look me up Creeper.

I have serious problems with that idea. It's been said pretty often, but I'll repeat it here- "Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should." Where's your moral compass? If someone just happens to feel like "pushing their limits" and wipes out 15 city blocks in a major metropolitan area, what do you say? "Oops?" "We're novas, so we don't answer to your ideas of right and wrong?" Think about what you're saying, and be realistic. Do you really think people (nova or otherwise) should be able to do everything they ever wanted?

I don't.

I agree with Kittie that we can't have anarchy, which is basically what Pele is describing. Some sort of moral standard has to be in place, in order to stop those who would behave in a manner anathematic to the survival of society.

That being said, I also understand that there are some definite differences between humanty and Nova. As humans evolved, so did their societies. In order for humans and Nova to survive together, some fashion of societal evolution has to happen. I don't have the answers, only some insights. Perhaps one day a group of great minds, human and Nova, will figure out what needs to change. Until then, we have to moderate our actions, lest we alienate one another and breed conflict that noone can stop.

You know, you're right. I'll back down when Utopia does. Until then I'm a hunter and the world is my jungle.

Don't get me wrong people I'm a Terat. Damn proud too. I don't hate baselines, and I certainly don't want to wipe em all out, but I'll be damned if I'm going to allow one to tell me when, where, and how to use my abilities.

I'll admit, knocking down entire city blocks is pretty stupid, but honestly if I had to smear the sidewalk with a few examples of why not to fuck with me then I would. Just like I did at the Blackburn. Nova or not, if it’s a fight you want it’s a fight you’ll get.

I am not human. Human laws do not apply to me. I don't think that means I should intentionally go out looking for problems, but if some pecker-head walks up on me wanting to throw down then he/she dies.

I'd expect no less were I to prove to be a less than capable warrior. Do not suffer other to tend to your weaknesses. Humans are weak and we are not here to be their scapegoats or tools.

I couldn't agree more! I guess it's easier for some of us than others to keep up semi-normal lives, admittedly, and I understand why someone might want to soul-search and figure out who they are now... I just don't see why everything has to degenerate into bigotry and separatist dogma. We're all still just people, right?



You officially scare me.

Look Boo-boo-kittie-fuck, I'm no saint. Some lady and her kid see me on the street and they smile, I smile back. I pat the kid on the head, tell the lady to have a nice day and push on.

Null sweat.

Now, if some nova hating extremeists or a few gangbangers lookin to prove that Mite makes right come at me then I'll be damned if I'm about to call for a cop or Team Tomorrow to come save my rump.

Not a chance in hell. I'ma stand my ground and shred some idiots. See, that's the problem with baselines: when they get their ass kicked by a nova it doesn't occur to them to leave the damn guy alone. Their small monkey brains only think that sending twice as many next time is the logical solution.

I'm cool with that. The more they send, the quicker I eliminate the fools giving the rest of the breeders a bad name.

That's what being a Terat is to me, living by a code of respect for the nature of things. A lion will drink from the same watering hole as the gazelle without making it a meal, however when the lion prowls the plains in search of prey gazelle quickly knows its place.

You know, if you were trying to sound less frightening, you failed completely... But at least there's some sort of rationale to what you do, I suppose.

We are as Separatists as the Quebec people are.

We share 99% Genetic code with humans.

Humans share 99.5% of their genes with some monkeys, do you share your society with them?

No offense, but I've heard the "monkey" comparison too many times, and it still really annoys me. If that's all you're basing your perspective on, you need new material.

Monkeys don't randomly become humans. Humans, on the other hand, do suddenly turn into novas. Sharing genetic code isn't the same thing as actually having been one.

Are these statements compatible?


I'm from Iowa. It comes with the territory.

Yes. Yes they are. Cuz' I say so.

Iowa huh? Seems like a corny place to be raised.

Well now, maybe I've been underestimating them.

Yes.

Huh? Mostly that sounds like common sense.

Interesting. That's the first sane answer I've heard about the Teragen.


What about the other half of it? Does being a Terat mean I can't sleep with baselines or take money from them? If so, why?

Killing baselines is boring.

Well yes, but then again, you are talking about 5% of the genes changing and we are now a completely different species, some Novas don't even look remotly human when using their powers. I use Anteus from the Project as an example.

We are not humans, and clinging to it is like the 40 year old man who stil lives with his mother and watches saturday morning cartoons before collecting his allowance, it's just a delusion.



Ha! Gotta say I didn't expect that, got a good laugh out of me.

Is it just me, or is this sounding more and more like an after school special? Kraven up there is playing the fatherly figure with all the answers, and Josh is playing the curious little boy who asks all the right questions.

Also. I have been waiting to call Primal Kraven since I joined this damn site.

"After school special"? "little boy"? Am I being insulted or is that a cultural reference I'm missing?

Cultural reference Gatecrasher, I guess that seeing how you used to be 90 (See? I DO read the news! Btw, T2M to unclog a drain? Talk about Overkill) you didn't get to see them, back then if you did something bad you got a lashing according to my grand-daddy.

Great. From what you've already said it would be a most promising discussion. PM with your location and I'll stop by.

Aww, what's wrong? Couldn't pick a fight with Pew Pew Pew about being a Municipal Defender so thought you'd bounce over here and pick one with me instead?

Waste of time fucko. If you wanna dance we do it on the street, where I can shed blood. Not on the OpNet.

So slow your roll there Quicksilver, I ain't having it. If you have something more to contribute than just turning a serious thread into a childish game, go somewhere else and do it.

People have questions and were trying to answer them and you're getting the way, so leave.

I'm unimpressed by the Teragen. Count Orziaz is the worst example of Eurotrash I've come across. Divis Mal seems like a preening homosexual, albeit a powerful one. And Geryon seems like a crude thug. Though I'm not suprised, he sounds English.

But some aspects of their philosophy is entertaining. Being above a limited structure of law sounds liberating.

I don't have a problem with the Terats who want to live and let live. What I do have a problem with is those that feel they have to kill, maim, and destroy when and were they will, plus those others who believe they have to fight for that bunches right to do as they please.

Just like everyone else, a Terat's right of self-expression ends at the next person's face. Maybe if as a group they had a greater respect for life others wouldn't have such problems with them.

A greater respect for life? Look a few of these up; it's (almost) every major war through out the human's reign on this planet.

Afghan War (1919)
American Civil War (1861-1865)
American War of Independence (1775-1782)
Anglo Burmese War, First (1823-1826)
Anglo-Dutch War, First (1652-1654)
Anglo-Dutch War, Second (1665-1667)
Anglo-Dutch War, Third (1672-1674)
Austrian Succession War (1740-1748)
Babylonian War (311-308BC?)
Barons War, First, (1215-1217)
Barons War, Second, (1264-1267)
Bavarian Succession War (1778-1779)
Big Black River Campaign, 7-19 May 1863
Bishop's War, First (1639)
Bishop's War, Second (1640)
Bohemian War (1420-1434)
Boxer Rebellion (1900)
Brothers War (c.241-236BC)
Chattanooga and Chickamauga Campaign (1863)
Chremonidean War, c.266-262 B.C., (Greece)
Creek War (1813-14)
Crimean War (1853-1856)
Crusade, First (1096-1099)
Crusade, Second (1147-1149)
Crusade, Third (1189-1192)
Crusade, Fourth (1202-1204)
Crusade, Fifth (1218-1221)
Crusade, Sixth (1228-1229)
Crusade, Seventh (1248-1254)
Crusade, Eighth (1270)
Conquest of Cyprus (306BC)
Devolution War (1667-68)
Diadoch War, First (322-320 BC)
Diadoch War, Second (319-316 BC)
Diadoch War, Third (315-311 BC)
Diadoch War, Fourth (307-301 BC)
Diadochi Wars (323-280 BC)
French Invasion of Egypt (1798-1802)
English Civil War, first (1642-1646)
English Civil War, second (1648)
Eumenes’ War (263-261 BC)
Falklands War (1982)
First Coalition War (1793-97)
First World War (1914-1918)
French and Indian War (1754-1763)
Gulf War (1991)
Hellenic or Lamian War, 323-321 BC
Hundred Years War (1337-1453)
Iran-Iraq War 1980-1988
Italo-Turkish War (1911-12)
Jacobite Revolt, First (the '15)
Jacobite Revolt, Second (the 45)
Jenkin's Ear, War of (1739-c.1743) (America)
Kalmar War, 1611-1613
Kentucky Confederate Invasion (late 1862)
King George's War (1744-18 October 1748)
Lamian or Hellenic War, 323-321 BC
Livonian or First Northern War, 1558-1583
Mexican War (May 1846-February 1848)
Namibia (War) 1966-1990
Napoleonic Wars (1799-1815)
Nordic Seven Years War, 1563-1570
Northern War (1700-1721)
Overland Campaign against Richmond, 1864
Peninsular War (1807-14)
Polish-Muscovite War, 1609-1619
Polish-Ottoman War, 1620-1621
Polish Succession, War (1733-38)
Polish-Swedish War, 1600-29
Punic War, First, 264-241 BC
Punic War, Second, 218-201 BC
Wars of the Roses 1455-1485
Scanian War, 1675-79
Second World War (1939-1945)
Seven Years War (1754-1763)
Smolensk War, 1632-1634
Spanish Succession War 1701-1714
Swedish Civil War, 1597-98
Swedish Danish War, 1657-60
Syrian War, First, 276-272 BC
Syrian War, Second, 260-255 BC
Syrian War, Third, 246-241 BC
Syrian War, Fourth, 221-217 BC
Tanker War 1984-1988
Thirteen Years War, 1654-1667
Thirty Years War (1618-48)
Welsh War of Edward I, 1277-1282
World War One, 1914-1918
World War Two (1939-1945)
Zulu War 1879 (South Africa)

Now, the first recorded war was in 1275BC. That means, that to date human average a slaughter of each other once every 35 years or so. Not to mention what happens to women and children overseas in places like Iraq. This is the most intelligent species on the planet? Or was rather?

Look, these people are for the most part an okay bunch, but the bottom line is they are not on the top of the food chain any more. Evolution favors us and by the very same laws of nature that humans penned with their own blood through out the ages:

"To the victor go the spoils."

Their place is below us, and like all the species they have made extinct through their own greed, malice and lust for power they need to understand that they exist only because we permit them to do so.

Primal, you officially scare me. I'd go so far as to say that I think I almost understand where you're coming from.

What Primal's said has actually really made me think about the Teragen. It's easy to paint them all with the same brush or to assume that the actions of some of their more frightening and violent members represent the organization as a whole. But so far, I know of no formal declaration issued on behalf of the Teragen as a whole, except for (I guess?) the Null Manifesto, which basically seemed to just say "nova =/= human" in the space of several pages.

I get it. I think. With the kind of powers some of us have, it's easy to not feel quite "normal", anymore. Guys like Antaeus, or a guy whose entire body turned into radioactive sludge, how do they feel really, really "human" anymore? And, you know, that's okay. You don't feel human anymore, you want to experience life on some new set of terms? That's a-okay with me. As long as you're not hurting or restricting the liberties of anyone else, I'm perfectly cool with that.

Having said all that, I don't feel it. Sorry. I can condemn the actions of the violent and oppressive in any forms and still sympathize with what I think is the Teragen belief of transhumanity, but as for m