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#95463 - 10/02/07 03:01 PM
Re: A Project
[Re: Evan-Happy Scientist]
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Nova
Registered: 07/15/07
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Loc: Nazlini, Arizona
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The Coyote, I think you misunderstand Kara. She's a philanthropic club owner who happens to do some pornographic films. That's totally different. You should say that out loud to your mother, and see how 'different' it sounds to her. And it is a matter of public record that she was a porn star first and a philanthropic club owner second. Also, it should be noted that philanthropy never pays you back... it's not like the US gives you tax breaks because you give to a charity or anything. So of course the fact that she is still damaging the image of women around the world is totally offset by the fact that she gets a tax break through charitable giving gives to the poor, the hungry, the downtrodden yearning to be free.
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#95502 - 10/04/07 09:47 AM
Re: A Project
[Re: Evan-Happy Scientist]
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Nova
Registered: 07/15/07
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Loc: Nazlini, Arizona
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The Coyote, I was joking.
Its obvious you don't want to give Kara a chance. The 'joke' clearly wasn't, as it was meant to be funny. And yeah, I don't want to give Kara a chance, because I think I'll be wasting my time. As I've stated before, people rarely step outside their stereotypes; those that do, get noted and treated appropriately. I've seen nothing yet from Kara to indicate she's anyone special. And as she's stated, she's not even trying to break out of her stereotypes. So I think we're good, actually; we understand each other.
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#95525 - 10/04/07 08:49 PM
Re: A Project
[Re: Changeling]
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Nova
Registered: 03/11/07
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Loc: Lake Oahe, South Dakota
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But Coyote isn't forcing Kara into her way of thought, she is just objecting and mildly insulting. You can't make the distinction of totalitarian until someone does something totalitarian, otherwise you are just wrong. Not all assholes are totalitarian, but all totalitarians are assholes.
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#95526 - 10/04/07 09:05 PM
Re: A Project
[Re: Changeling]
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Nova
Registered: 11/23/06
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It seems, from what I have read, that The Coyote objects to what Kara represents. But what Kara represents is choice. A choice of what kind of life she leads.
Agreed. Mind you, I'm not a huge fan of the porn industry myself, but I certainly accept that is the avenue some people take. So therefore, if I oppose, and belittle the life someone chooses to lead, am I not opposing choice? To oppose choice is to oppose freedom. No. To oppose someone's life choice is not to oppose choice. How could a jury find a defendant guilty of a crime without opposing their choice? I oppose the life choice of those who chose to become killers (especially when they are trying to kill me), but this doesn't make me a foe of choice either. You are painting with too broad a brush. A totalitarian does not like it when people make choices they disagree with. They will even shame others into compliance. Is that not what Coyote is doing to Kara? I haven't seen CMS threaten or shame Kara. She has stated her position on the porn industry and her distaste for what she sees Kara representing. Isn't CMS allowed he opinion? Given the power, they will force others to obey their will.
[quote=Changeling]It is a mindset. CMS is a nice young lady who disagrees with us. Its a huge leap of conjecture to think that if she had the power she would be breaking those who opposed her to her will. It is best to stop tyranny sooner rather than later. It is also easy to stifle the opinions of those who oppose yours by claiming to be fighting tyranny.
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#95534 - 10/04/07 10:15 PM
Re: A Project
[Re: Ravenshire]
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Nova
Registered: 07/15/07
Posts: 156
Loc: Nazlini, Arizona
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Ravenshire and White Light, thanks for the assist, but honestly, if he thinks me a tyrant, let him. Women are often maligned when they choose to have forceful opinions.
But to be completely clear, let me address a few points:
1) I am no tyrant. I am also not silent in my views.
2) If my views shame Kara, then good. I don't believe they will, as she has shown no shame to date. And truth be told, I may come to admire her for that, if her stubbornness comes from strength of character rather than stupidity. I have not seen strength of character, whoever.
3) I do belittle, which is not the same as opposing. I make no effort to stop her, or to stop any of the other stupid or ignorant people who hurt others through their actions.
4) I hate tyranny. My racial history is rife with it, and I have no desire for it in my personal life.
5) This is how free speech works. We often disagree, and that doesn't make either of us tyrants.
Any further posts that attempt to equate my expression of opinion with tyranny can be shoved up the ass of the poster and lit on fire. Thank you - that is all.
Edited by Coyote-Mad Scientist (10/04/07 10:16 PM) Edit Reason: to add #5
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#95537 - 10/04/07 10:39 PM
Re: A Project
[Re: Coyote-Mad Scientist]
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Baseline
Registered: 04/22/07
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Oh, I just have a thing against women who buy into or at the least enable the porn industry. I dislike porn because it allows men to perpetuate treating women as sexual objects, things that can be used and discarded. She and women like her allow men to continue to treat us like shit, and worse, she's a minority doing it, which only feeds further into the social stratification of the minority female. I deal with prejudice because I'm a Navajo, and because I'm a woman, which makes me twice the "Other" to the fat, white men who run the world. And so long as Kara and women like her spread their legs and smear themselves all over some camera so that old, crusty white men can jerk off and fantasize about living blow-up dolls before going off to lay limply next to their wives and then go into the office in the morning and give promotions based on Tits and Ass, I'm going to be here to remind them and everyone else that they are part of the problem.
Hey, I like porn. Without it, and strippers, I wouldn't have a sex life.
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#95565 - 10/05/07 01:50 PM
Re: A Project
[Re: Transonic]
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Nova
Registered: 11/17/06
Posts: 459
Loc: Miami, FL
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Anyway, Kara. When is auditions? Auditions are a few hours away from being announced; I'm arranging for a place to hold them in Miami. From some of the interest we've gotten, we're going to have a lot of people showing up. I know that some just want to try, and don't have a shot, but they're still trying, and we'll try to accomidate them. I'll post in this thread once we know where; when is going to be October 14-16; that's a Wednesday through a Friday, 9 am to 5 pm.
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